http://thinksteroids.com/forum Learn how anabolic steroids work, how they differ, and how to use anabolic steroids to improve health, to maximize muscle growth and to enhance athletic performance en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:35:44 GMT vBulletin 60 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/images/misc/rss.jpg http://thinksteroids.com/forum http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/human-growth-hormone-insulin-134339868.html Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:23:53 GMT It is a known fact that exo GH will decrease insulin sensitivity and eventually induce insulin resistance (IR) Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy Induces Insulin Resistance by Activating the Glucose-Fatty Acid Cycle (http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/88/4/1455.full) Growth hormone induces... It is a known fact that exo GH will decrease insulin sensitivity and eventually induce insulin resistance (IR)
Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy Induces Insulin Resistance by Activating the Glucose-Fatty Acid Cycle
Growth hormone induces cellular insulin resistance ... [Diabetes. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI
Growth hormone-induced insulin resistance is associated with increased intramyocellular triglyceride content but unaltered VLDL-triglyceride kinetics
Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy and Insulin Sensitivity
Growth Hormone–Induced Insulin Resistance and Its Relationship to Lipid Availability in the Rat
JCI - The relative roles of growth hormone and IGF-1 in controlling insulin sensitivity
faustin: HGH makes muscles more insulin resistant
Growth Hormone-Induced Alterations in the Insulin-Signaling System

By my taking proper steps, like eating VL carb and not eating any carbs right after a GH injection, I think I can mute the IR.

Also, the IR from HGH can be reversed by eating low carb for a while or by using metformin to decrease the insulin response the body has to carbs for a duration of time to restore the body's sensitivity to insulin. As long as you are getting your glucose levels tested and they are showing fine then you don't have anything to worry about. HGH, as I recall, is also catabolic BIGTIME to adipose tissue to site injections and will keep fat from accumulating in that area. I know this for a fact because I experienced it myself when I used GH 10 years ago, but in minute amounts. Also - I would limit usage to only do a 4-6 mos. cycle. I think that if I take more insulin-sensitizing agents like green coffee, ALA, or even metformin during GH injections, that should help reduce any effects of IR.

I need the lipolytic effects and the better protein synthesis that HGH can provide.

Also testosterone itself will help reduce IR: Testosterone replacement therapy improves i... [Eur J Endocrinol. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI which will help offset the IR effects from HGH as well.

To sum up, this is what I read:
For the insulin resistance that is possible:
conservative - 300mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid and 200 - 300mcgs of Chromium Picolinate
moderate - 15mg of Actos - a prescription med to increase insulin sensitivity, Glucophage (Metformin) to dispose of excess glucose and increase uptake in muscles. Effects of a combination of recombinant human... [Horm Metab Res. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
aggressive - add a few IU's of insulin to your HGH cycle

I wonder if adding IGF1-lr3 would work in suppressing IR also. Anyone know?

Also, to avoid a prolonged release pattern that can lead the user towards type II diabetes, due to chronic elevations in blood glucose, GH should be pulsed every 4-5 hours, using IM injections as opposed to subq, with at least one day off, every other day. The side effects of GH use can be ameliorated by utilizing the correct dosing protocol. ]]> Steroid Forum mcs5309 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/human-growth-hormone-insulin-134339868.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/rhgh-and-compounding-pharmacies-134339867.html Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:22:47 GMT Anyone know of a compounding pharmacy that will custom compound rhGH without mannitol? The reason I ask is that I am unable to tolerate the mannitol that is in all of the commercial preparations. Anyone know of a compounding pharmacy that will custom compound rhGH without mannitol? The reason I ask is that I am unable to tolerate the mannitol that is in all of the commercial preparations. ]]> Steroid Forum mcs5309 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/rhgh-and-compounding-pharmacies-134339867.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-cycle-log/2nd-cycle-thoughts-134339862.html Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:58:43 GMT Already a week deep, just wondering expectations, opinions, and experiences.

Test Prop 150mg EOD for 10 weeks.

First cycle was Test E 250mg a week, but I'm cutting so I figured prop would be a better choice.

I was 177 at 12% bf or so, now I'm at 183 a week in.

However my abs aren't visable anymore hardly, would this be from bloat or water weight?? I just started letro in so maybe that will strip the water off.


I don't really want to put on any fat this cycle, just a some steady lean mass. I'm eating 2g of protein per body weight, and around my maitenence calories to prevent fat gain, I'm not nessicarily cutting anymore, but I don't want to go up in bodyfat. I gained a lot of fat on my first cycle.

How much would you expect to gain on my cycle? Any tips or comments? ]]> Steroid Cycle Log http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-cycle-log/2nd-cycle-thoughts-134339862.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/1g-trenbolone-700mg-testosterone-134339848.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:12:27 GMT Cycle 1g tren , 700mg prop a week, pinning ed.

My aim is to gain 7lbs pure muscle whilst maintaining my bf% [im below 10%)

That's 7lbs muscle net (after pct)
Is this realistic ? ]]> Steroid Forum aestheticphysique http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/1g-trenbolone-700mg-testosterone-134339848.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/rbgpharma-134339844.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:04:38 GMT Hey guys. So I'm on my second cycle of test. I'm doing 600mg/wk of sust that comes in vials of 400mg/mL. Has anyone here heard of RBGpharma? I've been using their product and it's really harsh. I'm literally thinking about stopping my cycle. My first cycle was 400mg sust/wk with a different brand (sust 250) and I didn't experience any side effects or PIP. After about 2 hours post-injection I get some intense muscle pain and my glutes feel like they have really tight knots. I pin 3x/wk and I pinned my left glute last Thursday and it still hurts. I understand that there can be a high BA content so I tried heating the sust within the syringe for about 5 minutes to see if that would help. I did that last night and it didn't help one bit. Some people asked about my hand steadiness. I'm an ICU nurse and a paramedic so I would say my technique is very sterile and steady. Like I said I experienced NO problems with my last cycle. I just don't think this is worth it if I can't be deadlifting and squatting anymore. It feels like a silverback gorilla is beating the shit out of my ass with a tire iron 24/7. ]]> Steroid Underground TC108 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/rbgpharma-134339844.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/have-i-made-right-134339843.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:33:10 GMT Hello everyone, im on my second week of this cycle and i want to know if i made the right choices and if i must keep going the way i planned it. My goal is to get bigger with quality muscle and get ripped up at the end of the cycle with winstrol and solid diet, im 26, 6 ft, 203 lbs, 11.6 % bf and... Hello everyone, im on my second week of this cycle and i want to know if i made the right choices and if i must keep going the way i planned it. My goal is to get bigger with quality muscle and get ripped up at the end of the cycle with winstrol and solid diet, im 26, 6 ft, 203 lbs, 11.6 % bf and thats my 4th cycle.
that are my dosages per week.

week sustanon equipoise masteron primobolan winstrol
1 1000 600 400 ----- ------
2 1000 600 400 ----- ------
3 1000 600 400 ---- -------
4 1000 600 400 ---- ------
5 1000 600 ---- 400 ------
6 1000 600 ---- 400 ------
7 1000 600 ---- 400 ------
8 1000 600 ---- 400 ------
9 250 300 ---- ---- 400
10 250 300 ---- ---- 400
11 250 300 ---- ---- 400
12 250 300 ---- ---- 400
13 250 ----- ---- ---- 400
14 250 ----- ---- ---- 400

i aslo use nolvadex 20 mg ed because i already felt nipple soreness after the first week.

Thanks eveyone ! ]]> Steroid Forum Sim0n57 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/have-i-made-right-134339843.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/testosterone-e-deca-more-134339836.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:04:10 GMT I am a few weeks in on a deca and test e cycle and seem to have hit a lethagic thresh hold. I am taking 750 mg of test e and 500 mg od deca weekly. I started this as a test e only cycle, but added the deca in week two, to help some joint issues I have been having. I have never experienced this bad... I am a few weeks in on a deca and test e cycle and seem to have hit a lethagic thresh hold. I am taking 750 mg of test e and 500 mg od deca weekly. I started this as a test e only cycle, but added the deca in week two, to help some joint issues I have been having. I have never experienced this bad of a lethargic issue before, and am curious if it is due to DHEA levels or just typical lethargic reactions that will subside back to the normal amounts I am use to in my past 5 years of cycling...

stats= 36 yrs young, 5'7'' 200, 7-10 % bf.....multiple cycles. ]]> Steroid Forum ericpdell2 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/testosterone-e-deca-more-134339836.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/melanotan-question-134339832.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:17:50 GMT Ive got a major farmer tan going on from work. If i add this peptide will it help me even out faster, or will my arms continue to get darker and darker? Ive got a major farmer tan going on from work. If i add this peptide will it help me even out faster, or will my arms continue to get darker and darker? ]]> Steroid Underground attic http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/melanotan-question-134339832.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/anabolic-steroids-blood-donation-134339829.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:38:56 GMT If my memory serves me correctly, the great Author L. Rea stated that periodic blood donations, particularly in AAS who hover around dangerous levels in terms of Hgb, Hct, etc, blood marker values, may value from them.

I have always had a ? in my mind though regarding this. If sum BB'er who megadoses (+1g/wk) of particularly harsh androgens and a female gets this blood, could it (at least temporarily) cause virilization?

Skimming through website link, I see there is nothing really that rejects males from donating blood who take TRT, but then again, TRT & high-dose AAS is another story.

I am hoping Dr. Scally can chime in on this post and/or others who have some knowledge on this subject. Of course, anyone who actually "self-injects" is supposed to be immediately withdrawn from donating blood, so of course this aside, what is your all's take on this? ]]> Steroid Forum OhNoYo http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/anabolic-steroids-blood-donation-134339829.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/general-discussion/dont-like-new-website-134339828.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:28:32 GMT Well, its really not new, but everytime I say I'm going to post on this matter, I just then tell myself I will do it next time I logon, and well you know how that goes. So, I just felt I would do it now since I got a lil bit of free time on my hands.

Anabolic Steroids and Performance-Enhancing Drugs by MESO-Rx was a great website link name w/ its associated name MESO-Rx. I mean, I still do type in this older link, but Anabolic Steroids and Performance-Enhancing Drugs by MESO-Rx will pop-up.

Idk, for me its just a bit "bro-ish". I mean, when I actually here the word "steroid" I think of ALL the steroid hormones, and not just androgens.

What are all your thoughts bout this?? Sry if I offended ya here, MB! ;) :p ]]> General Discussion OhNoYo http://thinksteroids.com/forum/general-discussion/dont-like-new-website-134339828.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/so-lemme-get-straight-134339827.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:24:00 GMT R there now ppl who get paid to do the raws orders for you, then ship it to you? R there now ppl who get paid to do the raws orders for you, then ship it to you? ]]> Steroid Underground OhNoYo http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/so-lemme-get-straight-134339827.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/famous-people-using-testosterone-134339826.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:58:45 GMT Always wondered about how many famous people, ceo's and such use testosterone therapy and even viagra. Do they actually go to a pharmacy and pick up their prescription using their real name?
Sounds like a dumb question but wouldnt the tabloids have a field day with someone like Bill O'Reilly or Jay Leno picking up a prescription for testosterone? ]]> dyna5 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/famous-people-using-testosterone-134339826.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/how-much-increase-you-134339825.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:57:20 GMT just wondering how much increase in testosterone production is achieved from a single 250 ci injection in the morning. I am currently starting the hcg monotherapy. just wondering how much increase in testosterone production is achieved from a single 250 ci injection in the morning.

I am currently starting the hcg monotherapy. ]]> vincemc1 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/how-much-increase-you-134339825.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/dangers-not-taking-hcg-134339821.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:03:53 GMT How neccessary is HCG in TRT? I have been on TRT for almost 2 years without HCG. I feel great and am through havings children. My nuts are the teeny tiny but my sexual function is great. I am aware that the testicles naturally produce oestradiol, inhibin B, and something called anti... How neccessary is HCG in TRT? I have been on TRT for almost 2 years without HCG. I feel great and am through havings children. My nuts are the teeny tiny but my sexual function is great.

I am aware that the testicles naturally produce oestradiol, inhibin B, and something called anti mullerian hormone. What role do these play in men's health? Am I missing something by going without them?

I do not want the additional hassle of adding HCG to my protocol. I am dialed in and do not want to risk estrogen issues. However, I do want the maximum health possible. ]]> Johnny Trackmarks http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/dangers-not-taking-hcg-134339821.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/beginner-cycle-help-134339818.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:04:59 GMT Hi all. What do you think about this cycle for beginners? Do i need to add or remove something from here or its fine and i can start with it? Week Testosterone enanthate Arimidex 1 500mgs/week 0.25mgs/EOD 2 ... Hi all. What do you think about this cycle for beginners? Do i need to add or remove something from here or its fine and i can start with it?

Week Testosterone enanthate Arimidex
1 500mgs/week 0.25mgs/EOD
2 500mgs/week 0.25mgs/EOD
3 500mgs/week 0.25mgs/EOD
4 500mgs/week 0.25mgs/EOD
5 500mgs/week 0.25mgs/EOD
6 500mgs/week 0.50mgs/EOD
7 500mgs/week 0.50mgs/EOD
8 500mgs/week 0.50mgs/EOD
9 500mgs/week 0.50mgs/EOD

PCT
Week Nolvadex Clomid
15 40mgs/day 100mgs/day
16 20mgs/day 50mgs/day
17 20mgs/day 50mgs/day
18 20mgs/day 50mgs/day ]]> Steroid Forum Tigar http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/beginner-cycle-help-134339818.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/shbg-lowered-or-deflected-134339808.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:17:50 GMT I also keep reading that Masteron and Proviron lower shbg levels. But have also read that they have a higher affinity for shbg than test, thereby increasing free test levels. If thats the case, wouldnt that mean that the shbg levels are not actually lowered, the globulin is just taken up by the... I also keep reading that Masteron and Proviron lower shbg levels. But have also read that they have a higher affinity for shbg than test, thereby increasing free test levels. If thats the case, wouldnt that mean that the shbg levels are not actually lowered, the globulin is just taken up by the aforementioned compounds. So in reality its just a trade off, you get more free-T, but less free mast/proviron?

Also, It keeps getting repeated that aromasin has a short half-life and must be taken everyday. But if it is a suicidal inhibtor, wouldnt the half-life be much less important than the amount of time it takes for the body to convert more t to e? So how about eod or e3d? No good? ]]> Steroid Forum bltchemistry http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/shbg-lowered-or-deflected-134339808.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/first-cycle-i-got-134339807.html Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:09:59 GMT I know I am new, this is my first post.:D But Here is what I was thinking of doing for a first cycle: week:1-5 dbol 30mg split up daily test enth. 250 mg mon and thurs nights for a total of 500mg per week anastrozole .25mg daily week:5-20 test enth. 250 mg mon and thurs nights for a total... I know I am new, this is my first post.:D But Here is what I was thinking of doing for a first cycle:

week:1-5
dbol 30mg split up daily
test enth. 250 mg mon and thurs nights for a total of 500mg per week
anastrozole .25mg daily
week:5-20
test enth. 250 mg mon and thurs nights for a total of 500mg per week
anastrozole .25mg daily
week 21-22
wait for test to clear
week 23-27
hcg 500ui for 10 days
toremifene citrate 4weeks
clomid 4 weeks
ostarine 4 weeks
week 27-31
4 weeks ostarine

I was 5'7" 210 a year ago, now 5'7" 165-170
was 36-38" waist now 30-32"
Will be eating 5k calories a day :) All clean!
When I lost weight I never ever limited calories, just ate no gluten no dairy no sugar :) no peptides or other weight loss supps [:o)]
So I will be eating like that still, oats eggs fish chicken natty pb etc. except and use protein shakes@ 5k- oh and fruit I eat that like crazy 5-10 pieces daily I shit like 5 times a day!

Steroidsfax is still good just got my dong xi today!

Any tips on dosage on anything please speak up!

What I still need for this cycle
hcg
clomid
20ml of test e

Dang it wont let me post pics of my sciroxx gear & I didnt get labels on my test e, is that a big deal thanks guys! ]]> Steroid Underground manofkrypton http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-underground/first-cycle-i-got-134339807.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/review-my-cycle-before-134339805.html Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:49:27 GMT It's a 16 week cycle I know long but I don't mind :P
Week 1-4 dbol 50mg Ed
Week 1-4 test E 750mg EW
Week 5-16 test E 600mg EW
Week 4-14 tren E 400mg EW
Week 8-16 mast E 400mg EW
Week 12-16 winstrol 50mg ED

Hcg started after the 3rd week till the end at 500iu e3d
Pct will start after 2nd week off cycle
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I will have arimidex on hand incase of gyno

Calories will be around 4000 a day

6 meals a day

Each meal will contain around 50g of protein minimal

High carb in the morning but mild a lunch. Then very low intake carbs after 6pm

Cardio will be 30-45min everyday

Gym routine
Day 1
(Heavy)back- 4 different work outs 4-5 sets each 6-10 reps each
bicep- 4 different workouts 4sets
6-12
forearm- 2 different work out 4sets
each 10-15reps

Day 2- chest, tricep, abs
(Heavy) chest 4 different workout 4 sets 6-10reps
Tricep- 4 different work out 4 sets 8-10 reps
Abs- 3 different workouts 4sets 25 reps each slow movement

Day 3- legs and shoulders
Legs-1 work out for each part of the leg at least example
Squats
Hamstring curls
Lunges
Leg extensions
And 3 different calf workouts
Shoulder-3 different exercises one for the side of deltoid, 1 for rear deltoid, and one for the frontal deltoid.

Day 4- off

Day 5- same as day 1 but instead of heavy back it would be heavy bicep

Day 6- same as day 2 but instead of heavy chest it would be heavy tricep

Day 7- same as day 3 work my legs hard and shoulders

Day 8- off

Day 9- same as day 5 but instead of heavy bicep it would be heavy forearm

Day 10- same as day 6 but instead of heavy tricep it would be weighted abs

Day 11- same as day 7 just keep pushing hard of them legs and shoulders

Day 12- off

Then start all over from day one.

I know it's a long cycle like I said. I know I will eventually end up on trt. So dont start juicing if you are not prepared for that.

As for adding compounds as the cycle goes instead of all at once for me personally I gain more this way or it might be mental not sure.

So give me your thoughts be honest but not mean it might hurt my feelings :( jk. But, for real tell me what you think I put a lot of thought into this cycle.

The workout routine is the same one I have done all my life and worked great except. while on gear I go heavier and on heavy days even heavier than heavier. If that makes since. ]]> Steroid Forum loveyourbody http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/review-my-cycle-before-134339805.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/anadrol-and-then-dbol-134339796.html Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:30:35 GMT I just finished a 4 week cycle of Anadrol, how long shall i wait till i start my next cycle of dianabol? your assistance is appreciated. I just finished a 4 week cycle of Anadrol, how long shall i wait till i start my next cycle of dianabol? your assistance is appreciated. ]]> Steroid Forum smithjuan10 http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/anadrol-and-then-dbol-134339796.html http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-cycle-log/let-me-know-what-134339795.html Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:15:28 GMT 1-16 test e @ 300mg 1-16 eq @ 600mg 12-19 var @ 80 mg ed 17-19 test p 100mg eod 1-16 AI 0.05 pct 3 days after last test p shot. PCT Novaldex 40-40-20-20 Clomid-100-100-50-50 1-16 test e @ 300mg
1-16 eq @ 600mg
12-19 var @ 80 mg ed
17-19 test p 100mg eod
1-16 AI 0.05
pct 3 days after last test p shot.

PCT Novaldex 40-40-20-20
Clomid-100-100-50-50


I am 27 this will be my 3rd cycle , i ham 250 LB .6.2 and goal cutting and gaining lean weight ]]> Steroid Cycle Log castroaj http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-cycle-log/let-me-know-what-134339795.html