Can depression CAUSE low hormones?

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Old 09-08-2010, 10:32 PM
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Whats FOS?

It's a fact dude. If you jerk off too much you feel like sh*t. You are depleting your "chi" energy. That is the male essence.

Sexual energy is what drives a man. And if you are jerking off all the time, it depletes you. You become this hollow shell of a dude.

Sex is good for you. Jerking off blows.
Full of shit.

If you jerk off it depletes your chi energy? THAT is a fact?
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:51 AM
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Full of shit.

If you jerk off it depletes your chi energy? THAT is a fact?
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. Orgasm increases prolactin levels:

"This series of studies clearly demonstrated that plasma prolactin (PRL) concentrations are substantially increased for over 1h following orgasm (masturbation and coitus conditions) in both men and women" - Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2002 Jan;26(1):31-44.

2. Prolactin-deficient animals show greatly decreased body fat storage with no changes in feeding habits:

"The absence of PRLRs in knockout mice was accompanied by a small (5-12%), but progressive, reduction in body weight after 16 weeks of age. Females were affected to a greater degree than males. The reduction in weight in female PRLR-deficient mice (age 8-9 months) was associated with a 49% reduction in total abdominal fat mass and a 29% reduction in fat mass expressed as a percentage of body weight." - Endocrinology. 2001 Feb;142(2):532-7.

3. Inhibiting the action of prolactin results in fat-loss and apparent muscle-gain, even without changed in feeding habits:

"Reductions of prolactin secretion by...treatment for 24 days reduced fat stores (abdominal and epididymal fat depots) in hamsters by 25-49% compared with control animals. However, body weights and food consumption were not affected. These results further substantiate an important role for prolactin in regulation of fat metabolism" - Experientia. 1987 Apr 15;43(4):416-7.

4. Increasing prolactin levels causes an increase in body-fat, especially abdominal fat:

"We have recently show marked disruption of reproductive function and weight gain in female rats treated subchronically with [prolactin-increasing drugs]...induced significant weight gain with...increases in ...intra-abdominal fat." -J Psychopharmacol. 2004 Jun;18(2):149-55.

"Weight gain is a common and severe side effect of... [prolactin-increasing] drugs...The results showed [these drugs] increase body weight and subcutaneous fat deposition." - Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2006 Sep;187(4):447-54.

"increased body weight is associated with prolactinomas [prolactin-secreting tumors] and that weight loss occurs with normalization of prolactin levels [treatment with prolactin-inhibiting drugs]. On the other hand, decreased dopaminergic tone in humans is well correlated with obesity. [prolactin-inhibiting drugs increase dopamine neurotransmission]" - European Journal of Endocrinology, 2002, vol. 147, no1, pp. 77-84

It has been demonstrated:

1. Lowering prolactin tends to result in body-fat reductions -- especially abdominal fat
2. Increasing prolactin tends to result in body-fat increases
3. Orgasm increases prolactin

It is proposed:

Because orgasm initiates a series of biochemical processes whereby increases in body-fat -- especially abdominal fat -- and decreases in skeletal muscle may occur, we propose a research study to establish whether or not there is a causal or contributory role of orgasm in the process of lipogensis and abdominal obesity, in human subjects.
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Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm ... [World J Urol. 2001] - PubMed result
World J Urol. 2001 Nov;19(5):377-82.
Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence.
Exton MS, Krüger TH, Bursch N, Haake P, Knapp W, Schedlowski M, Hartmann U.

Institut für Medizinische Psychologie, Universitätsklinikum Essen, Germany. [email protected]
Abstract
This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

PMID: 11760788 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Old 09-09-2010, 11:58 AM
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Yes and no. A number of psychiatrists - mine included - are honing in on the cause of depression in hyperactive cortisol cases. Lengthy over-stimulation leads to the desensitizing of the HPA axis to CRH. CRH is responsible for the negative feedback loop that down-regulates cortisol in the adrenals and lead to excessive cortisol levels even after the stress is removed. That is why CRH is being looked into as an anti-depressant. It all gets very technical, but lower testosterone, while it can lead to depression, the more common case is that poor cortisol control leads to the depressive state and the lowering of testosterone, bone mass, poor immune response, etc. In short, stress does kill - literally.

This all gets extremely technical and way beyond me in all the details, but I can grasp some of what I read. One doctor heading up the charge is George Chrousos. Google just his last name and add the word testosterone. Or even over-training. If it has to do with the HPTA axis and the effects on testosterone, immunology, and neurology he's the man and you will probably find a trove of information.

One last note - there is rarely a true case of truly depressive disorder. Most cases are unstable mood disorders. You can tell if you are later case if your response to SSRIs is quick (within a week), vs. the usual 4 weeks. I am NOT a doctor, so always check with a health care professional. My psychiatrist wrote a book titled Roller Coaster (Paul Putmann). Get it if you have a family history of depression. I am off all SSRIs and take only clonazepam - I am at the low end of the spectrum of unstable mood disorders with the higher spectrum including Bipolar type I and II disorders. I'm lucky in that respect.

However, keep this in mind. Many unstable mood disorder sufferers are also hypersensitive to hormone levels so balancing things out becomes more difficult - not impossible - just more difficult.
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Old 09-09-2010, 03:27 PM
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Whats FOS?

It's a fact dude. If you jerk off too much you feel like sh*t. You are depleting your "chi" energy. That is the male essence.

Sexual energy is what drives a man. And if you are jerking off all the time, it depletes you. You become this hollow shell of a dude.

Sex is good for you. Jerking off blows.
Chi Energy ?!?! what does this have to do with your question ? If you want to talk religion, I am sure there are plenty of buddisht forums you can go join, but if you want medical advice about Men's health then keep your hippie crap to yourself. I am not trying to be rude, but honestly do you want to talk about Energy or why you might be medically depressed ?

Just a point.
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Chi energy? Let's stay medical here. Sure, too much masturbation and too much sex can lead to a feeling of being drained - I've been there in my twenties when my party life was in high gear. I was having sex four times/week with different girls and jerking off two times a day. After about a month of this I suddenly became uninterested in sex and really enjoyed just staying home and chilling out. About two months later I was back in the game. There is probably a medical reason for this, but its not Chi energy.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go balance my Chakras for optimal inter-dimensional being channeling.
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Chi energy? Let's stay medical here. Sure, too much masturbation and too much sex can lead to a feeling of being drained - I've been there in my twenties when my party life was in high gear. I was having sex four times/week with different girls and jerking off two times a day. After about a month of this I suddenly became uninterested in sex and really enjoyed just staying home and chilling out. About two months later I was back in the game. There is probably a medical reason for this, but its not Chi energy.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go balance my Chakras for optimal inter-dimensional being channeling.
LoL.

It could also mean that you have a demon in your nutsack.

jk.
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Whats bedist?

Yeah coming home and jerking off to youporn with crap diet and no excercise WOULD fuck you up. You are eating crap, you aren't taking care of your body, AND you are depleting your energy stores/vitality by jerking off all the time. Psychologically, you were probably down too, because you knew you were wasting your life.

So yeah. That would do it.
finestrade (propecia) is some nasty stuff....it drops your DHT way too low.....if you must, try .5mg eod....But I do agree, coming home and "jerking off" to porn is bad for your health and energy..... get a girlfriend and jerk it with her....
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finestrade (propecia) is some nasty stuff....it drops your DHT way too low.....if you must, try .5mg eod....But I do agree, coming home and "jerking off" to porn is bad for your health and energy..... get a girlfriend and jerk it with her....
Okay come on guys, Really !?!?!


Now I am married so jerking off is not something I do anymore and actually was not something I ever did a lot of. But what is the difference between jerking off and getting it on with your girlfriend ? and how is jacking off bad for your health ?.

Sure I can see how watching porn all the time and jacking off would be depressing, but it is definitely not unhealthy for your body. You have to keep the pipes moving and flowing. If your body produces all this sperm and you are not releasing it, this I believe would be more unhealthy and bad for you. The truth is you can either let it all out on your own time with masturbation or you will mess your sheets in the night. Either way it has to come out.
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Old 09-09-2010, 06:28 PM
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Okay come on guys, Really !?!?!


Now I am married so jerking off is not something I do anymore and actually was not something I ever did a lot of. But what is the difference between jerking off and getting it on with your girlfriend ? and how is jacking off bad for your health ?.

Sure I can see how watching porn all the time and jacking off would be depressing, but it is definitely not unhealthy for your body. You have to keep the pipes moving and flowing. If your body produces all this sperm and you are not releasing it, this I believe would be more unhealthy and bad for you. The truth is you can either let it all out on your own time with masturbation or you will mess your sheets in the night. Either way it has to come out.
I'll give the simple short answer....when getting off to your hand.....you have a weak orgasm and thus you probably do it few more times.... its not the same as sex...otherwise no one would want to get laid....psychologically its bad cause you get in the habit of beating it rather than trying to pick on a girl...look for Dr. Scally's study on masturbation I think it was posted last week.....also in east they say that your chi or engery gets drained when you jerk off.

Now here me.....I'm not saying I never do it....I even may have over did it when I was younger....all I was saying is that it was bad for his overall health, (mood, test, confidence, etc) in that situation
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I'll give the simple short answer....when getting off to your hand.....you have a weak orgasm and thus you probably do it few more times.... its not the same as sex...otherwise no one would want to get laid....psychologically its bad cause you get in the habit of beating it rather than trying to pick on a girl...look for Dr. Scally's study on masturbation I think it was posted last week.....also in east they say that your chi or engery gets drained when you jerk off.

Now here me.....I'm not saying I never do it....I even may have over did it when I was younger....all I was saying is that it was bad for his overall health, (mood, test, confidence, etc) in that situation
I will agree that it may be bad for your mood and confidence but not your physical health and Testosterone levels. You can only bank so much sperm before it finds it's way out, so it is either to deal with blue balls ( which is not healthy), find a chick, jack off, or wet dream. So for all the guys who cant score the ladies, jerking it or wet dreams is really their only option.
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