HCG plus Testo versus Testo plus HCG

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Old 01-12-2011, 07:15 PM
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Hello hormone mates,

I'd like to ask the following questions with educational intentions
in the context of hormone modulation for the tired elderly
(and thereby perhaps completely ignoring the needs
of young bodybuilders or finasteride victims, sorry).

In his paper "A Recipe for Success - second edition" Dr Crisler shares
his best thoughts about TRT for men. In this 'recipe' the testosterone is administered first
(to restore youthful Testosterone levels) and then HCG is added
1. to bridge the testosterone trough between injections,
2. to prevent testicular shrinkage and
3. to stimulate the conversion of Cholesterol into useful 'stuff'.
In addition - as he remarks - his patients absolutely love it.

I was wondering whether there are other 'recipes' out there
that utilise HCG as the first step (to imitate age-appropriate or
even youthful Gonadotropin levels) and then add Testosterone cream
or injections on top of that for above-average performance ?

Wouldn't it make sense to take HCG daily
(youthful bodies release LH/FSH daily, right ?),
perhaps even as a nasal spray, then measure resulting T and E2 levels
and then tweak with Testosterone cream and a bit of Arimidex if required ?
Could that potentially lead to more stable hormone levels ?
According to Dr Crisler "the body thrives on regularity"
and so patients may love this 'recipe' even more ?

I would be grateful if the slightly wiser guys on this forum could guide me
to 'recipes' similar to the one outlined above. In case this has been discussed
multiple times on this forum, I apologise.

Kind Regards,


Breeze
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Hello hormone mates,

I'd like to ask the following questions with educational intentions
in the context of hormone modulation for the tired elderly
(and thereby perhaps completely ignoring the needs
of young bodybuilders or finasteride victims, sorry).

In his paper "A Recipe for Success - second edition" Dr Crisler shares
his best thoughts about TRT for men. In this 'recipe' the testosterone is administered first
(to restore youthful Testosterone levels) and then HCG is added
1. to bridge the testosterone trough between injections,
2. to prevent testicular shrinkage and
3. to stimulate the conversion of Cholesterol into useful 'stuff'.
In addition - as he remarks - his patients absolutely love it.

I was wondering whether there are other 'recipes' out there
that utilise HCG as the first step (to imitate age-appropriate or
even youthful Gonadotropin levels) and then add Testosterone cream
or injections on top of that for above-average performance ?

Wouldn't it make sense to take HCG daily
(youthful bodies release LH/FSH daily, right ?),
perhaps even as a nasal spray, then measure resulting T and E2 levels
and then tweak with Testosterone cream and a bit of Arimidex if required ?
Could that potentially lead to more stable hormone levels ?
According to Dr Crisler "the body thrives on regularity"
and so patients may love this 'recipe' even more ?

I would be grateful if the slightly wiser guys on this forum could guide me
to 'recipes' similar to the one outlined above. In case this has been discussed
multiple times on this forum, I apologise.

Kind Regards,


Breeze
There are people that do what you mention. It starts as hCG monotherapy then moves to add in testosterone if the hCG mono is insufficient. Many on hCG mono do take it every day.
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There are people that do what you mention. It starts as hCG monotherapy then moves to add in testosterone if the hCG mono is insufficient. Many on hCG mono do take it every day.
Thanks, mate. Would you (or someone else for that matter) say,
that daily HCG plus supplemental Testosterone is the 'better' approach
than Dr Crisler's 'Recipe for Success' ?

(Of course, only in this context of the 'tired elderly' and
deliberately ignoring that 'individual results may vary' and so on … )

What are the experiences with that concept ? Anyone ?


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Thanks, mate. Would you (or someone else for that matter) say,
that daily HCG plus supplemental Testosterone is the 'better' approach
than Dr Crisler's 'Recipe for Success' ?

(Of course, only in this context of the 'tired elderly' and
deliberately ignoring that 'individual results may vary' and so on … )

What are the experiences with that concept ? Anyone ?


Breeze
No. I personally think the best approach is the least complicated, and that's straight T, by itself. If you are able to accomplish that with good results - great.
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Thanks, mate. Would you (or someone else for that matter) say,
that daily HCG plus supplemental Testosterone is the 'better' approach
than Dr Crisler's 'Recipe for Success' ?

(Of course, only in this context of the 'tired elderly' and
deliberately ignoring that 'individual results may vary' and so on … )

What are the experiences with that concept ? Anyone ?


Breeze
I was on exactly the protocol you're describing and it did not work well for me. My E2 level went too high. I dont think it's possible to make a generalization about what protocol is 'best' because TRT is too dependant on individual response: anyone on it needs to determine what works best in their own case.
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Thanks for your answers, guys !

Cheers, Breeze



P.S. If anyone out there is on 1. daily HCG plus 2. supplemental T cream, please speak up and share your experiences.
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