How do you feel on TRT?

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Old 08-25-2011, 04:26 AM
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Hi everybody. I wanted to ask...Exactly how do you feel on Testosterone injections? Does it just give you a sense of well-being and increased muscular mass, or does it also greatly affect your libido and erections?

I'm 24 years old and suffer low-t symptoms. Labwork tells i have mid-low total-T levels (usually 350 to 450 ng/dL in morning samples). Thyroid and adrenal glands work fine.

All my friends of my age masturbate from once to twice a day and always get excited when they see nice girls. Some didn't even have a refractary period until a few years ago!

And i feel i'm like a 50y old man. I have very weak and short morning erections, I want to have sex only twice a week and sometimes have problems getting excited. Once i have sex, i don't feel any desire at all for many hours, sometimes even days. I don't even bother if i watch a porn movie or if my girlfriends lies naked in front of me. It often happens that i loose erection while being inside her, and a few times a month i don't even achieve erection, even if i try to masturbate alone.

My previous doc put me on tgel but the results weren't satisfying. I'm going to see a new endo next month and i was wondering if it makes sense to try testosterone injections.

I read many posts in the forum and what i see is that almost everybody has big problems in maintaining optimal libido on TRT. Some people feel good just in the first months and then libido drops off. Other people get trouble from high estrogen, and so on...

Isn't anybody here experiencing good results from TRT? Do you feel horny like a 20 year old or do you just feel satisfied?

And how does exogenous T affect your ejaculation? Do you eject less liquid because of reduced testicular activity?
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Old 08-25-2011, 03:03 PM
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I feel like shit with TRT. I know exactly what you are talking about.


Check your SHBG levels. If low, you're fucked in the libido department, TRT or not.
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:10 PM
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What constitues a low SHBG. Mine has been measured at 23 and 18. Was wondering by how much proper TRT can lower SHBG.
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:20 PM
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My previous doc put me on tgel but the results weren't satisfying. I'm going to see a new endo next month and i was wondering if it makes sense to try testosterone injections. It would be very hard to answer your question without knowing what your testosterone, estrogen and prolactin levels were before TRT and what level was achieved with Tgel. There isn't enough information to determine what exactly caused the problem. Elevated prolactin could cause all of these symptoms

I read many posts in the forum and what i see is that almost everybody has big problems in maintaining optimal libido on TRT. Some people feel good just in the first months and then libido drops off. Other people get trouble from high estrogen, and so on...That's because the board is an unfair representation of succesful TRT males. The majority who come to the boards are having problems and looking for solutions. There are also boards that represent males who are suffering post finasteride syndome. If you visited those boards, it would appear that 100 percent of males experience permanent sexual problems after using finasteride or dutasteride, when in reality, they are a small group.

Isn't anybody here experiencing good results from TRT? Do you feel horny like a 20 year old or do you just feel satisfied? I generally have good results with some things that still need work.

And how does exogenous T affect your ejaculation? Do you eject less liquid because of reduced testicular activity?The only thing the testes contribute is sperm. Sperm goes to the prostate where the majority of the ejaculate fluid is. Males who have been castrated can have normal sex and ejaculate upon reaching orgasm with TRT.
Need more information.
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:29 PM
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I feel like shit with TRT. I know exactly what you are talking about.


Check your SHBG levels. If low, you're fucked in the libido department, TRT or not.
Not so sure. I do pretty well when E2 matches my SHBG number. One of my problems has been looking for natural aromatase inhibitors (zinc, DIM, Erase, resveratrol etc) because my doctor don't do AI's.
Most men's problems managing estrogen comes from trying to do it by "feel" instead of lab work.
I never get itchy or puffy nipples. I can't use that as a guage. The symptoms of too high and too low estrogen are the same, so without getting bloodwork, no one really knows where they are at.
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You probably feet like shit anyway and are confusing causes and effects
I feel great and have from the beginning with icSIONble boiuts with estrogen( treATble)
shots, hcg, patch,gel, ....
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I feel like shit with TRT. I know exactly what you are talking about.

Check your SHBG levels. If low, you're fucked in the libido department, TRT or not.
SHBG

november 2010: 12nmol/l
june 2011: 14nmol/l
july 2011: 22nmol/l


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Prolactin is 6 ng/ml (range 2-18) even when i'm stressed. Measured it twice, once in 2010 and in 2011.

Estradiol seems fine too. Goes up only when i'm heavily stressed.
Normal levels: 25 pg/ml (nov 2010)
Stressed levels: 45 pg/ml (june 2011)

And anyway, i had no libido increase on zinc, and had loss of libido on arimidex, 0.25mg EOD.
Unfortunately i don't know if my lab does a sensitive test.
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SHBG was low. Figures.

Interesting that you were almost able to double it, though. Did that last reading (22) come during TRT?
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SHBG

november 2010: 12nmol/l
june 2011: 14nmol/l
july 2011: 22nmol/l

Prolactin is 6 ng/ml (range 2-18) even when i'm stressed. Measured it twice, once in 2010 and in 2011.

Estradiol seems fine too. Goes up only when i'm heavily stressed.
Normal levels: 25 pg/ml (nov 2010)
Stressed levels: 45 pg/ml (june 2011)

And anyway, i had no libido increase on zinc, and had loss of libido on arimidex, 0.25mg EOD.
Unfortunately i don't know if my lab does a sensitive test.
Those numbers look good. If estrogen is normally at 25pg (excellent) then arimadex at .25 mg EOD certainly tanked your levels. You wouldn't need it at all at that level. On the other hand, if you went up to 45pg while using the gel, many men lose function at that level even though it is considered in range.

Do you know what the gel did to your testosterone levels? You may not absorb it well.
Did they test thyroid? Are you diabetic or does diabetes run in your family?
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Old 08-26-2011, 03:47 AM
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Do you know what the gel did to your testosterone levels? You may not absorb it well.
Did they test thyroid? Are you diabetic or does diabetes run in your family?
Thyroid and adrenal function are both great: i had FT3 and FT4 in the high range and TSH in the low range even in the afternoon! Cortisol, ACTH and DHEA-S are perfect too.

I have no diabetes or metabolic syndrome. My glucose levels are below 100, my insulin curve was great, triglycerides and cholesterol are excellent too.

I have no excess fat. Just something on my belly partially hiding abs. My diet has some fiber, i get vitamins and omega3, and daily 120g protein, 300g carbs and 60g fat. I'm 172cm @ 65kg. I train 5xWeek 45-60 minutes at bodyweight in parks or swimming. In some periods of the year i workout 3xweek 90mins in the gym with weights.

Tgel gives me a libido spike after the 3rd day, it does well for about a month and then libido drops off again. Labwork tells that tgel lowers both total testosterone and shbg, while i get higher dht and free testosterone.

It just seems that the hypothalamus wants mid-low levels

I'm wondering why my doc never tried a gnrh or clomid stimulation test.
Anyway I had depression and anxiety some years ago. Perhaps my androgen receptors in the hypothalamus are downregulated and my hpta axis needs a restart.

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