Psychologist experience

[chemman]

Originally Posted by pinkman

What if there is no right med? I mean when you talk to people it's always either:

Dude, you need a psychologist!

or

Dude, you need meds!

They always make it look like it's so simple. Just go to a psychologist with all your problems and it's all gonna be good. This is so unrealistic. Most psychologists suck. I have been to 3 different ones now and they were all such a disappointment. And even if you find one who is good then he still cannot change circumstances.

And antidepressants also aren't a sure thing. They can either not work at all or they can mess you up even more.

Alright man, sounds like you got it all figured out. Everything sucks, and nothing can help you feel better.

Why don't you just stop posting? And I don't mean to be harsh here. I really want to know why you are still posting.

[HeadDoc]

Read the book.

Originally Posted by pinkman

@ keri

What you're basically saying is that I perceive things incorrectly and that in reality everything is much better than I think it is because I'm depressed. I don't agree with this. It can be the case but doesn't have to. You cannot simply say everyone who is depressed simply has a perception problem and if he could only fix his depression everything would be fine. It can just as well be that the perception is right and that because of this the person is depressed and that the depression is a perfectly adequate reaction to the situation.

@ headdoc

Does this stuff involve any eastern mysticism and sitting in a lotus chair position and doing meditation exercises while being twisted like a pretzel? Cause I'm not into that.

[BBC3]

So headdoc then perhaps I will read the book. I dont think you have referred one before?? It should be noted that this kind of read can provide great "protective insight" to all... As a proactive approach to life...

To the OP: I just want to offer one more thing then I am out of this one. Life is really ALL THAT WE MAKE IT. Really and that is it. You are choosing to be miserable. And it is REAL - make no mistake. But its your choice. I always get a kick out of Prozac type commercials where the talk about depression as some illness within its-self. This is complete bullshit as marketed to the entire world. WE ARE DEPRESSED FOR REAL REASONS: PERIOD. Whether it be our job & money, our love life, the death of a loved one, or even the weather. One of the biggest problems with these ROMAN TIMES we live in today is that there is so much luxury we are surrounded with - THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO TURN OUR LIVES INTO SOAP OPERAS, and for our own entertainment. REAL DEPRESSION comes in HEAVY WAVES and does not last long enough to sit around posting about over a fefw weeks time. REAL DEPRESSION does not afford the luxury to even pick up a computer and type.

Let me put it like this. You belive in God? Yes you do. I dont care the religion, the church, or even if its all by yourself. But you know him? What are you going to say about all this when you meet him?! Were you born with only one eye? With a severe disorder? Have you contracted MS, or Parkinsons? Are there bombs dropping on your house to which you cant even go outside and you have to fear for the lives of your children at night?

So really then. Nothing is wrong except for your lack of respect and complete discount for the luxuries you have. If you cant take it now, what is going to happen if you do contract MS, or worse, or get in an auto accident and loose a limb or become paralized. I willl tell you what will happen. FIRST YOU will think, "what a fucking idiot I was for sitting on my ass complaining and whining about nothing". Second you are going to think of all the things you COULD have done if you had cut it out and got with it. Third, you are going to realize what is left, and how little there is at that point, and now the only thing that matter IS your relationship with God. Else you never existed. Its not too late.

The fact is we will all have to face many trials. The best way to sustain them is to have lived the best lives we could along the way, so that we have learned all we can, have lived to our fullest, and so that we have made our best contribution to the world possible. You have to be able to look in the mirror and know you did your best, OR YOU MAY TRULY FIND HELL ON EARTH some day. The difference between a man who is older and happy, and one who is young and miserable, is that the young one stands no chance of being the old one. You can choose to continue to create your own pain, or you can start to create your own happiness. We tend to get locked in paradigm if we do not embrace outside sources of information for stimulation of creativity. Consider a human brain is INDEED a blank slate. Contrary to belief, man has not the ability to imagine a UFO persay. He must first at least see something that resembles it. The Big problem with se;f apathy is that it is incideous and creeps up. I can take over and blind. You can become trapped and never get free till too late. The you have been robbed of what can not be replaced.

You are guilty as charged of complete procrastination and self apathy. You are CHILDISH. This is a sin against God. Childishness is not a deadly sin you say? No, thats because it takes even more than one of them to comprise it. So what would you say if you got to meet God tomorrow? When he asked you why you were so unhappy? When you had so much more than so many of his other children. And then you wonder why his deliverance seems so random to degrees relative. So what would be the point when we are all relative to ONLY OURSELVES in these matters...

Get yourself together now before its too late. And not only. Get out there and make a difference for those not so fortunate. Get busy. The clock is ticking...

[keriheat]

Originally Posted by BBC3

So headdoc then perhaps I will read the book. I dont think you have referred one before?? It should be noted that this kind of read can provide great "protective insight" to all... As a proactive approach to life...

To the OP: I just want to offer one more thing then I am out of this one. Life is really ALL THAT WE MAKE IT. Really and that is it. You are choosing to be miserable. And it is REAL - make no mistake. But its your choice. I always get a kick out of Prozac type commercials where the talk about depression as some illness within its-self. This is complete bullshit as marketed to the entire world. WE ARE DEPRESSED FOR REAL REASONS: PERIOD. Whether it be our job & money, our love life, the death of a loved one, or even the weather. One of the biggest problems with these ROMAN TIMES we live in today is that there is so much luxury we are surrounded with - THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO TURN OUR LIVES INTO SOAP OPERAS, and for our own entertainment. REAL DEPRESSION comes in HEAVY WAVES and does not last long enough to sit around posting about over a fefw weeks time. REAL DEPRESSION does not afford the luxury to even pick up a computer and type.

Let me put it like this. You belive in God? Yes you do. I dont care the religion, the church, or even if its all by yourself. But you know him? What are you going to say about all this when you meet him?! Were you born with only one eye? With a severe disorder? Have you contracted MS, or Parkinsons? Are there bombs dropping on your house to which you cant even go outside and you have to fear for the lives of your children at night?

So really then. Nothing is wrong except for your lack of respect and complete discount for the luxuries you have. If you cant take it now, what is going to happen if you do contract MS, or worse, or get in an auto accident and loose a limb or become paralized. I willl tell you what will happen. FIRST YOU will think, "what a fucking idiot I was for sitting on my ass complaining and whining about nothing". Second you are going to think of all the things you COULD have done if you had cut it out and got with it. Third, you are going to realize what is left, and how little there is at that point, and now the only thing that matter IS your relationship with God. Else you never existed. Its not too late.

The fact is we will all have to face many trials. The best way to sustain them is to have lived the best lives we could along the way, so that we have learned all we can, have lived to our fullest, and so that we have made our best contribution to the world possible. You have to be able to look in the mirror and know you did your best, OR YOU MAY TRULY FIND HELL ON EARTH some day. The difference between a man who is older and happy, and one who is young and miserable, is that the young one stands no chance of being the old one. You can choose to continue to create your own pain, or you can start to create your own happiness. We tend to get locked in paradigm if we do not embrace outside sources of information for stimulation of creativity. Consider a human brain is INDEED a blank slate. Contrary to belief, man has not the ability to imagine a UFO persay. He must first at least see something that resembles it. The Big problem with se;f apathy is that it is incideous and creeps up. I can take over and blind. You can become trapped and never get free till too late. The you have been robbed of what can not be replaced.

You are guilty as charged of complete procrastination and self apathy. You are CHILDISH. This is a sin against God. Childishness is not a deadly sin you say? No, thats because it takes even more than one of them to comprise it. So what would you say if you got to meet God tomorrow? When he asked you why you were so unhappy? When you had so much more than so many of his other children. And then you wonder why his deliverance seems so random to degrees relative. So what would be the point when we are all relative to ONLY OURSELVES in these matters...

Get yourself together now before its too late. And not only. Get out there and make a difference for those not so fortunate. Get busy. The clock is ticking...

Admittedly I have not read ALL your posts, but this is the best one I have read.

809 words. Thats an A+

[pinkman]

Depression is real and when you're depressed you don't think about what you still have and what others don't have compared to you. At least I don't do that. Thinking about others who are in even worse positions doesn't help me and also doesn't make me feel better about myself. If a person could simply forget about all problems and get out there and do good things or whatever then this wouldn't be depression. When you're depressed you hardly have any strength left then you also cannot do stuff for others when you're busy with your own problems.
And I also don't even know what I should be doing. Helping an old grandma over the street and then feel good about myself or what?
I don't think that condemning people who are depressed for being depressed and telling them that they just have to get their act together is very helpful. This isn't simply about willpower. You can't simply will yourself out of depression.

[BBC3]

That's what you are missing exactly. It's not that you are thinking of others.... Its that you are not....!

[lineguy]

Originally Posted by pinkman

Depression is real and when you're depressed you don't think about what you still have and what others don't have compared to you. At least I don't do that. Thinking about others who are in even worse positions doesn't help me and also doesn't make me feel better about myself. If a person could simply forget about all problems and get out there and do good things or whatever then this wouldn't be depression. When you're depressed you hardly have any strength left then you also cannot do stuff for others when you're busy with your own problems.
And I also don't even know what I should be doing. Helping an old grandma over the street and then feel good about myself or what?
I don't think that condemning people who are depressed for being depressed and telling them that they just have to get their act together is very helpful. This isn't simply about willpower. You can't simply will yourself out of depression.

I agree 100%.

As someone who has struggled with major depression, I know as well as you do that people who don't experience it simply don't understand it. It's far worse than they choose to believe.

[pinkman]

I can't take it seriously when someone who knows nothing about my own problems and my whole situation comes along and calls me childish and tells me I have to do this or that and just pull myself together. This crap may work for very few people who are intimidated and then even beat themselves up for being so selfish or whatever but not for me.

[keriheat]

Originally Posted by pinkman

Depression is real and when you're depressed you don't think about what you still have and what others don't have compared to you. At least I don't do that. Thinking about others who are in even worse positions doesn't help me and also doesn't make me feel better about myself. If a person could simply forget about all problems and get out there and do good things or whatever then this wouldn't be depression. When you're depressed you hardly have any strength left then you also cannot do stuff for others when you're busy with your own problems.
And I also don't even know what I should be doing. Helping an old grandma over the street and then feel good about myself or what?
I don't think that condemning people who are depressed for being depressed and telling them that they just have to get their act together is very helpful. This isn't simply about willpower. You can't simply will yourself out of depression.

My point exactly! If you are on medication and you still have 'Major Depression' you have not found the proper mix of medication.

There is no good reason to struggle with "Major depression all [your] life" with the medical help available today!

AND...if you have followed this complete thread..you should already know that I have experienced depression!

[pinkman]

But who guarantees that there even is a proper mix of medication? As far as I know antidepressants do not have a very high success rate. And I also don't know what to expect. If you're depressed cause everything sucks then what is an antidepressant supposed to do? Make you care less or be happy in the middle of your problems?