Another urgent gyno thread!

[PteJohnston]

Hey guys. Another longtime reader first time poster. Been lifting for 7 years straight now. Done several cycles in the past and currently in week 13 of my test eq cycle.

Some stats first:

26 yo
5'10
215lbs
10% bf

Running 600mg test e / 600mg e weekly. Started anavar week 10 @ 75mg ed. Hcg began week 4 @ 250 iu 2x weekly. Aromasin 25mg 3x weekly.

All in all the cycle has been great with little to no sides. A little acne here and there and sore nips for a few days but aromasin took care of that.

Fast forward to last week. The familiar terror of estrogen and gyno is upon me! I know the symptoms all too well and have some residual tissue from previous cycles that would not go away. I started on the letro quickly! Started @ .75mg ed and ramped up to 2.5mg. All the while maintaining my aromasin dose so as to have an overlap.

I don't care about my sex drive compared to the horror of getting gyno. So I've been on letro a little over a week now and not much if anything in terms of improvement. I plan to stay on this dose until the situation subsides. Some will ask why not nolva? Nolva never, ever did a damn thing for me.

I was going to finish my cycle at 14 weeks but now I'm a little confused as to what to do with this letro leading into pct. Any suggestions?

My question is.. Why would gyno decide to happen now?? What's changed from the beggining to the end of my cycle? I know its not my doses or anything like that. My suspicion is that since taking 450mg of saw palmetto in week 12 my body has been rid of any DHT, which is a known estrogen antogonist. So I stopped taking it for 2 days now. I'm hoping for the best here.

My apologies if this post is difficult or confusing to read as I am typing it from my blackberry.

I'm in need of some support here bros.

[MPM]

Letting takes awhile to take effect. I would have upped the aroma or added nolva myself while the letting was taking effect. I literally can have no e2 and still not have many sexual effects but damn will my joints hurt and ill feel shitty. But gyno is worse by far.

[PteJohnston]

Anybody else? Why would gyno just all of the sudden show up?

[billydidit]

Not sure man - I am having same trouble right now. I have a small (smaller than a dime) shaped lump from a dbol/test cycle last year. I really hit it hard with letro, nolva, ralo, etc.. I was happy with how it basically was undetectable post PCT.

Now that I am in month 2 of a Tren/Test/Var cycle I have noticed this lump hurts and has grown to be larger, sometimes it feels like I have a coat button under my nipple. As my BF% decreases with this cycle I suppose that it is almost noticeable. and why now? I have been taking a butload of letro and ralo. Like 2.5 to 4 mg of letro ED.

I am having all kinds of joint pain, so should I assume that my esrogen levels are low? If so why am I struggling with gyno?

-billy

[leoclaw79]

I guess SERMs would be necessary?

[Sworder]

Originally Posted by billydidit

Not sure man - I am having same trouble right now. I have a small (smaller than a dime) shaped lump from a dbol/test cycle last year. I really hit it hard with letro, nolva, ralo, etc.. I was happy with how it basically was undetectable post PCT.

Now that I am in month 2 of a Tren/Test/Var cycle I have noticed this lump hurts and has grown to be larger, sometimes it feels like I have a coat button under my nipple. As my BF% decreases with this cycle I suppose that it is almost noticeable. and why now? I have been taking a butload of letro and ralo. Like 2.5 to 4 mg of letro ED.

I am having all kinds of joint pain, so should I assume that my esrogen levels are low? If so why am I struggling with gyno?

-billy

The Tren is probably juicing the already existing breast tissue up. Deca is the worst for me. Swells my nipples up and I need to make sure my estrogen levels are low as well as managing prolactin levels. Estrogen will induce the growth, prolactin will as Rasputin would say "put the lead in the pencil".

[PteJohnston]

Shit dude... Good luck. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress/failure.

[Get Some]

Tren/Deca gyno (relating to progesterone and not estrogen) is a completely different subject. I'm not sure what "600mg e" means but if that's Tren E or any tren then you need something that will combat that type of gyno. Letro won't do shit for it. When I use letro to combat estro-gyno, the swelling goes down in just 2 days and the lump recedes. For tren-gyno you need cabergoline...the other choice (which I won't even mention) has side effects that were most unpleasant when I tried it.

[PteJohnston]

Sorry about the typo, the e was supposed to say EQ. I've been on letro for over a week and the lumps haven't receded. I'm so confused

[Get Some]

Originally Posted by PteJohnston

Sorry about the typo, the e was supposed to say EQ. I've been on letro for over a week and the lumps haven't receded. I'm so confused

Your letro may not be any good. Is it liquid? Are you shaking it up vigorously before each use? I had a good friend of mine who didn't shake it each time and didn't realize until weeks later that all the powder had settled at the bottom and he was using nothing more than oil.