Originally Posted by Adogg4
dude im guessing this is your first cycle
just run 500mg/week of test
and youll be fine
you dont read the board too often do you? i've done plenty of cycles. and if you re-read my original post you'll see this is somewhat of an advanced question. That might be why Sev was one of the only people to responsd so far.
Since i've been at work all day i'll take the time to give my opinions now illustrated by alot of examples:
Person A) does a cycle of 500mg Test, 300mg Deca, 300mg EQ
per week. Test
has a 1/1 AA ratio, i think deca has a 5/1 ratio, and EQ
probably has something like a 7/1 ratio but is weaker than deca or test
by strength comparison. For instance, if judging by Anabolic to Androgenic ratios and mulitplied by their potency, 300mg of EQ
gives the same anabolic effect as 200mg of Deca.....so is this cycle the same as taking 500mg of Test
and 500mg of Deca per week? Alot of people say Deca and EQ
are similar in anabolic effect with only slight differences in water retention and libido. If Deca and EQ
both were to have AR mediated effects would they work synergisticly or just compete for the same receptor binding? Also, this looks like a very anabolic cycle and plenty of receptor mediated effects but would adding something more androgenic as well to balance out the ratio make this cycle more productive?
Person B) does a cycle of 300mg of Masteron, 300mg Fina, and 300mg Test
per week. Masteron and Fina are extremely androgenic...probably 5-10 times as androgenic as test
. This seems like a very androgenic cycle and the Mast and Fina are very AR mediated, but is an anabolic like Deca, EQ
and Fina are very anabolic themselves. Fina is at least 10 times as anabolic as Testosterone....but are they anabolic enough to keep up with the androgenic effects of this cycle?
Person C) does a cycle of Dbol, Deca, Test, Primo, Fina and Winstrol. Now we have a cycle that has instead of 3 different steroids - 6 different ones. Each are different in their own way...Dbol is not receptor mediated, Deca is receptor mediated, Test
is both. Primo
is super anabolic, but not androgenic. Winstrol is Androgenic but not very anabolic. Fina is very androgenic and Anabolic. So since this cycle sounds so balanced from both the perspective of the AR or non-AR binding as well as anabolic to androgenic ratios, does that mean this is the ultimate cycle? Or does mixing all of these steroids together just cause them to compete for the certain ways that they hold their effects on the body....and will the most potent steroid win therefore wasting the less potent ones? (kind of like the competition for the AR by Test
or for SHBG by Proviron and Test)
I'm trying to really get people to think and dispose of some of the myths and heresay that goes with designing steroid cycles and look to what makes sense. Why not get the most out of our juice? If we all put our heads together there is enough collective information on this board to optimize our juice combinations in our cycles so everybody keeps making better and better gains each cycle instead of always chasing the muscle-bound dragon (metaphorically).