high Hemoglobin

Discuss high Hemoglobin at the Steroid Forum; Originally Posted by whitegato777 And you wonder why other AAS forums and hrt Doc flame on you in other forums.. ...

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Old 06-25-2013, 01:29 PM
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And you wonder why other AAS forums and hrt Doc flame on you in other forums.. you become a professional at not actually answering questions in a professional manner let alone result to high school behavior to make yourself feel superior. I don't know why I even come to this forum.. any other forum you even mention an artical written by you or robert Anthony they will laugh you out of the place.
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I do not wonder about anything elsewhere. LMAO
Maybe you already had that stroke. It sure sounds that way.
Now that school's out for summer, the trolls are coming out of the woodwork. In the last week, we've had a guy wanting to enlarge his head, a 120 pound 18yo wanting advice on using 2 grams/week and now this guy. There's more yet to come, you can be sure.

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Ok both off you need to calm down ill be the bridge of communication. Ok
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Whitegato777- tren is hard on the body. No matter what you want to believe. At 800mg of tren a week that's putting a heavy damage on your body I gain great of 400mg of tren a week. You liver wants a time out. It is taking oral steroids year around I'm guessing plus tren on top of that at 800mg of tren. There is a 20% chance that maybe it isn't the juice. If that's the cause the juice is just speeding up the ending result. Stop everything you doing like you doctor told you if you like having a liver. Once everything is back to normal get back on trt. And slowly work your way up there is no need for 800mg of tren in my opinion unless your getting really underdosed gear.

Scally- not everyone has a since of humor. I myself do and would enjoy those kind of responses. Keep at what you do I respect that you stood up for what you believe in. I'm not kissing ass just being honest here.

So ending result. Whitegato777 you know what scally was telling you. If you want to live listen to your doctor. And this is coming from a guy that only goes to the doctor while cycling to make sure everything is fine.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:54 PM
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And, pointing to ATM. Genius!!! You have just proven just how much of a joke you are. Go to ATM where "Dr. John Crisler is Illegally In Possession of a Penis!" Dr. John Crisler is Illegally In Possession of a Penis!! [In case anyone wonders what the thread is about Crisler was convicted of assaulting a woman, including breaking her rib. From the thread title, someone does have a "penis" problem.] LMAO
Crisler... isn't he the guy that did a how-to video on subq injections that looked like a low budget porno? I see him mentioned once in a while. He seems to be some sort of Jim Jones or Charlie Manson cult-like figure with a following of the desperate, the beaten down and the simple-minded who are in need of a savior. Not surprising he was convicted of assault.
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I'm famous! Crisler insulted me, my "little country" 25 doctor, 175 employee, $25M per year practice because I feel patients should be called back in a timely manor and charging for scripts is bullshit....happy day!
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Yes, it was. In an effort to stand up for the proper medical care of nonprescription AAS users. But, it is fools like you that make me wonder at times why I made the effort.

And, pointing to ATM. Genius!!! You have just proven just how much of a joke you are. Go to ATM where "Dr. John Crisler is Illegally In Possession of a Penis!" Dr. John Crisler is Illegally In Possession of a Penis!! [In case anyone wonders what the thread is about Crisler was convicted of assaulting a woman, including breaking her rib. From the thread title, someone does have a "penis" problem.]


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Your license was revoked because you stood up for what you believe in. I personally find your research interesting and well thought out. Michael Scalley is very knowledgeable about AAS and contributes a lot to this board. People on other boards can hate him all they want but the other board are garbage. They are filled with fake "bro science". We are lucky to have this man here.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:44 PM
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the doc at the hospital said I need to come off trt but my hrt doc said to go donate blood... Whats going on and what should I do? And why is my liver values messed up? I don't drink at all but i did take percocet the last two days before test.
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Also, you should be written for a therapeutic phlebotomy, NOT a blood donation. This is obviously not TRT or anything close by your use of Tren.

While the H/H appear to be not correlated, the Hgb 19.1 should be used. It is hard (impossible) to believe or understand how this has not been discovered by routine monitoring, which speaks to the (zero) level of care. The LFTs are another indication for the crappy and dangerous medical care. Keep going and have stroke or heart attack.
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I don't know why I even come to this forum..
I hope you came to this forum to receive good and useful advice. And this you received.

You presented with a serious medical problem and explicitly asked for help. Dr. Scally provided solid medical advice. You may not agree, but he had every justification to question the medical care you've been receiving; otherwise you never should have been in this position. And yes, the doctor should have written up a therapeutic phlebotomy.

You've received three medical opinions. I realize that your "HRT doc's" advice may be what you'd most want to hear. I hope that after you have time to reflect on this thread, you recognize that the ER doc and Dr. Scally are putting your health first and foremost. Please take care of yourself.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:05 PM
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Hrt doc is a hormone replacement therapy doctors since he prescribes more than just testosterone.. and I never claimed that the tren is part of my hrt.. I don't gain period without tren because of the 25mcg of cytomel that I have to take.. even on over 800mg of tren I have a hard time gaining anything.
The term 'TRT', as often used by AAS-using bodybuilders, has taken on a very "fuzzy" definition. 'HRT' is even worse. Basically, we end up just talking about different types of non-medical steroid use.

Most bodybuilders on TRT don't really need it. What they really need is proper medical care to restore their HPTA. But the overwhelming majority of doctors have no idea how to provide proper care for steroid users. They only know of one way to treat "low testosterone" and hypogonadism - prescribing testosterone (aka TRT).

Unfortunately, it's bad medicine. And poor medical care.

And most bodybuilders don't object because it somehow legitimizes their steroid use. After all, now they have a legal script to use steroids. And now they can tell everyone they're on TRT.

But really, it often enables them to be lazy steroid users. They're not really on TRT. They are merely cycling steroids and using low-dose testosterone as a bridge between cycles i.e. they are using steroids non-stop and continually.

TRT becomes an excuse to avoid the inconvenience of proper PCT and HPTA restoration.

Let's just call it what it is.

Now, whitegato777 I don't know your medical history and I don't know if this applies to you or not. It simply reflects my personal observation of the broader discussion on this forum and elsewhere on bodybuilding forums.

There are many people on this forum who have a legitimate need for TRT (i.e. are unable to restore HPTA) but still want to do an occasional AAS cycle. I personally don't see anything wrong with that.

There are many others who probably could restore their HPTA if they really wanted to but choose to go on TRT for a variety of reasons. That is their choice.

I just hope we move away from the slippery slope of calling practically everything TRT or HRT. Call a spade a spade. It may serve a purpose in everyday life (to remove the stigma of steroid use). But let's bring honesty back to the discussion.
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I just hope we move away from the slippery slope of calling practically everything TRT or HRT. Call a spade a spade. It may serve a purpose in everyday life (to remove the stigma of steroid use). But let's bring honesty back to the discussion.
Well said, Millard. It's time to call a spade a spade. I'll also add that it's not only patients that are guilty of the dishonesty, but doctors as well. It's becoming increasingly common to hear about doctors having their "TRT" patients on Supraphysiological doses of testosterone. Someone posted the other day that they had an Rx for 400mg/week. For TRT! The vast majority of men will be WNLs at less than 200mg/week, often much less. Calling 400mg/week TRT is ridiculous. Where do you draw the line... 600mg/week? 1 gram?

Physicians are prescribing testosterone as a PED, a tonic or whatever under the guise of "TRT" to stay within the law but history has shown time and again that the FDA, DEA, etc. get wise to these practices after a while and shut them down. If that happens, the result will be that TRT becomes even more controversial than it already is, and possibly lead to testosterone becoming even more tightly controlled (it's already C-II in New York) and it will be men with legitimate cases of hypogonadism that pay the price for the dishonesty.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:48 AM
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I'm convinced Dr. Scally knows nothing about medicine.


The filth that is Dr Scally.

Just some stuff people are flaming about you.. By the way isn't your license revoked?!
I've said it before and I'll say it again....physicians are people too. Just because your seeming wonderful doc holds it together in the office because you pay him to do so doesn't mean he only has angelic thoughts. If you're morbidly obese your doctor may counsel you with kind words while thinking you're a fat fuck who needs to eat less. She may examine your junk and tell you you're fine all the time laughing about your thumb of a penis.

Dr. Jim and Scally are constantly being challenged for "not being professional". Meso is NOT an extension of a medical practice like ATM. It is a place where Dr. S who no longer practices and Dr. Jim who is anonymous can share their opinions unencumbered by "real" patients.

Do you think Crisler doesn't have the same thoughts? Do you think he doesn't want to rant people off ATM all the time? He doesn't because ATM is sales tool to his practice.

Everyone who is even moderately successful in medicine has an edit button for patients....that button does not have to be used here at Meso.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again....physicians are people too. Just because your seeming wonderful doc holds it together in the office because you pay him to do so doesn't mean he only has angelic thoughts. If you're morbidly obese your doctor may counsel you with kind words while thinking you're a fat fuck who needs to eat less. She may examine your junk and tell you you're fine all the time laughing about your thumb of a penis.
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