Long Cycles or Blast/Cruise Cycles?

Discuss Long Cycles or Blast/Cruise Cycles? at the Steroid Forum; I have always been "taught" that longer cycles are the way to go. Was reading around and someone pointed me ...

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Old 04-12-2005, 12:33 AM
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Default Long Cycles or Blast/Cruise Cycles?

I have always been "taught" that longer cycles are the way to go. Was reading around and someone pointed me in the direction of DoggCrapp's idea of cycling called Blasting then Cruising. Here's the basic concept

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Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year (again) I came from a very very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago)so gains have never come easy and I didnt start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic) What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the endall super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much -these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug). (and gh if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you cant gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnt going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro freind Ive had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria

Sorry bout that, I wrote that post quickly and I should of been a little more responsible with saying-those dosages are what I am seeing superheavies who have been around for a while doing. I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors...1)I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks
2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks(i only go down to 400grams or so) or I'll go crazy
3) I think its of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated hpta wise. If your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door...if you can keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo yo's..namely getting colds and flu's/injuries/depression/lack of aggresion and appetite (which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)...During the cruising period the 400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible.
As far as GH, I have never used it and I wish I could. But the cost is just too much for me at this time. From what I've witnessed short cycles will not do anything so unless I can run it for at least 6 months I am not going to bother. Opinions down here vary but most follow Milos's lead and do 5 days on 2 days off at 6IU's a day or 6 days on 4 off.



Do you feel that this is the way to go with cycling or do you feel that longer cycles would create better and more sustainable gains?

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Old 04-12-2005, 01:13 AM
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The problem with that is that there is no off period where he says to come off. If you are planning on staying on test for the rest of your life then I think that would be a good way to do it, after a few of the blast cycles maybe come down to 300mg/week for around 8-10 weeks so you dont stress your body too much, just a good dose to keep your test levels in the high range.

Another problem is, when he drops down to the cruising period of the cycle where he says to take 300-400mg/week of test and supplement with arimidex and clomid, there is no way your body is going to recover normal HPTA function when you are recieving supraphysiological doses of test, you are still going to remain shut down, might as well stay at a gram of test in my opinion because you arent going to be doing any good to the HPTA even when you come down to 300-400mg/week.

The only way to recover the HPTA is to completely come off. Clomid and arimidex isnt going to do shit for your recovery of natty test when you are still on synthetic test, no way, this has been proven many times.

Say that you did decide to come off for two weeks between your 4 week blasting cycles, that is too short of a time period for your HPTA to recover anyways, especially considering since the test that was being run was probably either cypionate or enanthate, after two weeks from the last shot the test will just be clearing out, so basically there would be no absolutely clean "off" period in there. Even if you were running a gram of prop, which would fucking hurt, that would be cleared out pretty fast, and 2 weeks still would not be enough time to recover HPTA function.

This whole cycle plan is just a bad idea if you want to keep the boys alive, if you want to go on HRT, go for it.

I would stay stick with the conventional cycle of 8-12 weeks and follow proper pct, or else run several blitz cycles, something like 4 weeks on 3 weeks off, run 3-5 of those back to back, preferably with HCG while on cycle, then take at least a 12 week break. There is no possible way to recover when you are still administering supraphysiological doses of testosterone. Wish it worked that way, but it doesnt.
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Old 04-12-2005, 01:16 AM
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i would rather stay on 250mg test/week and increase to 500mg when i feel like cycling and use nothing else besides aromasin/arimidex and HCG during. if i come off, ill use aromasin, nolva and HCG if i do ever come off.

if you are serious about BB or PLing, you wont come off though so the above is what i would do and i think i am..for a long time at least..maybe a couple years.
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The problem with that is that there is no off period where he says to come off. If you are planning on staying on test for the rest of your life then I think that would be a good way to do it, after a few of the blast cycles maybe come down to 300mg/week for around 8-10 weeks so you dont stress your body too much, just a good dose to keep your test levels in the high range.

Another problem is, when he drops down to the cruising period of the cycle where he says to take 300-400mg/week of test and supplement with arimidex and clomid, there is no way your body is going to recover normal HPTA function when you are recieving supraphysiological doses of test, you are still going to remain shut down, might as well stay at a gram of test in my opinion because you arent going to be doing any good to the HPTA even when you come down to 300-400mg/week.

The only way to recover the HPTA is to completely come off. Clomid and arimidex isnt going to do shit for your recovery of natty test when you are still on synthetic test, no way, this has been proven many times.

Say that you did decide to come off for two weeks between your 4 week blasting cycles, that is too short of a time period for your HPTA to recover anyways, especially considering since the test that was being run was probably either cypionate or enanthate, after two weeks from the last shot the test will just be clearing out, so basically there would be no absolutely clean "off" period in there. Even if you were running a gram of prop, which would fucking hurt, that would be cleared out pretty fast, and 2 weeks still would not be enough time to recover HPTA function.

This whole cycle plan is just a bad idea if you want to keep the boys alive, if you want to go on HRT, go for it.

I would stay stick with the conventional cycle of 8-12 weeks and follow proper pct, or else run several blitz cycles, something like 4 weeks on 3 weeks off, run 3-5 of those back to back, preferably with HCG while on cycle, then take at least a 12 week break. There is no possible way to recover when you are still administering supraphysiological doses of testosterone. Wish it worked that way, but it doesnt.
that way of using gear is the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard. you are always on, why try to recover while on?
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that way of using gear is the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard. you are always on, why try to recover while on?
My way is the dumbest way of using gear? Are you sure on that? That is how most people run their cycles, 8-12 weeks on. When you say try to recover while on, are you talking about the use of HCG while on cycle? I have used HCG on my past two long cycles at 250IU two times a week, no nut shrinkage, and when I came off pct was a total breeze, kept all my strength and most of my size, just lost the water. That HCG protocol is given by Swale, and he knows his stuff. For post cycle I took Nolva, trib, and zma, easy recovery since the addition of HCG while on cycle.

I agree if you are serious about bbing or pl'ing, then yes you have to stay on cycle.
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im referring to DC's cycles. your cycles are cool.
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OK, I figured that I misunderstood you, but since you quoted what i said I thought that you were referring to me, sorry about getting all defensive
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Old 04-12-2005, 01:42 AM
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its cool. i just dont agree with his way of cycling. either on or off.
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Old 04-12-2005, 10:22 AM
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Bro, If your interested in short anabolic cycles, pick up "Building the Perfect Beast". L. Rea is a very informed induvidual and your much better off getting your info from a man that devotes his time and money to learning about biochemistry and AAS rather than experiment on himself and post on meso. Btw, I am trying out one of his protocols currently and its awsome. 5 days in to it and I already feel and see the gains! Oh, and his PCT routine is well worth a try.
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More on the blast/cruise:

Do I believe clomid and arimidex will work better at getting your endo test back to normal without any exogenous testosterone in the system? yes.... Do I believe that because there is 300-400mg (at least) of exogenous test in the system that clomid and arimidex will do nothing to regulate a persons endo test? absolutely not and I know better from the people I train and myself.

We are trying to reach a middle ground here if you go off the 300-400mg cruising dosage you will start losing muscle rapidly, if you dont do the clomid and arimidex during the cruising period your hpta will become more and more impaired. I am trying to keep someone as normal hormonally wise as possible while he is on a cycle so when he finally gets off a cycle that muscle stays there. 300mg a week of testosterone is slighly above a replacement dose for an Aids patient or test replacement therapy, so i do believe the the clomid/arimidex will do a great deal. In fact I think it is imperiative. If you find yourself getting sick during cycles or directly after or losing muscle rapidly after you get off (I am very sure my way will rectify that). I hate seeing someone go 12-16 weeks on a cycle with awesome gains and then get off and pow...2-3 weeks fighting a cold...feels crappy and lethargic...no appetite...takes him 45 days just to feel back to normal even with clomid and hcg then he steps on the scale and that 27lb bodyweight jump he just made turned into 8lbs (sometimes even less)---thats a waste of time to me and the guy waited too long to regulate himself...the body cant snap back that quickly(and he would of fixed the whole problem doing it my way)
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