Testosterone Propionate and Novaldex

[skinnyz]

Hey guys, im new to this forum and to steroids so i got some questions.
im about to start a 6 week cycle of test prop of 150 mg/week...i know this is a low dose but im thinking of starting off slowly. I also bought Nolvadex because i read that it is necessary in order to prevent gyno.
- When during the cycle should i start taking the nolvadex (i.e at the beginning of the cycle or after 3 weeks) and should i continue using nolvadex for a period of time after i finish the cycle?
- what dosage of nolvadex could i use bearing in mind i will be using 150mg/ week of test prop.

Ill appreciate any feedback

Thanks

[BigShadow]

Stats? Age, weight , goals?
I'm not an expert but 150mg a week is very low. Also prop has to be injected ed or eod because of the half life, so are saying you will be pining 50 mg eod? Prop insnt usually the test of newbies either. The frequent injections and the pain of prop is usually the kicker in the end.

Also Nolva IMO should be only used at the signs of gyno. U didn't mention what you were doing for pct. Nolva ?
I have never run a cycle at least not a correct one. Waiting on my stuff as we speak. I have opted to pin prop as well eod at 100mg and have clomid and Nolva for pct. also I hope you realize you need about 6 sites to pin or you could get a lot of bad scar tissue buildup. That means glutes, quads, and delts. I hear painful things about IM injections of prop sometimes so I hope u know what your getting into. I do but I've researched a lot on it. So good luck. U should prob wait to get more info from a mod or a more experienced guy.

[Sworder]

150 mg/week sounds like a waste of money, time and shutting down your HPTA for a replacement dose doesn't make sense. I wouldn't go any lower than 500mg/week, some advocate 250mg but personally 500 is the least I would go. Also, prop will hurt but first time around most injectables hurt but there is variation depending on who made it and their concentration, BA % and BB %. Post up stats.

[MPM]

150mg/week is such a waste of time. I like the idea of starting off low but would still start at 350mg/week. Unless your natural test levels are already low you wont notice much at 150.

[skinnyz]

Hi Sworder, thanks for your reply, im 19 years old, 5ft 7, 187lbs at about 10-11% bf. been lifting for almost 4 years. you guys seem to think i should go for around 300 mg a week so ill give that a try. have you got any advice about the doses i should use for nolvadex assuming i take 300mg/week of test prop?

Thanks

[skinnyz]

Thanks BigShadow, yeah i know that prop isnt usually what beginners use but im hoping ill be able to handle the pain, etc of eod injections, ill switch injection sites around so im not always hitting the same spots and this should help i think. other than that do you have any advice on what i should take for pct?

Thanks

[BigShadow]

Well my plan looks like this:
100 mg prop eod
Clomid 50mg-25 days ed
Nolva 20mg- 25 days ed
Also have arimedex oh

You need to start pct 2-3 days after last pin due to short ester.

Hope this helps.

[skinnyz]

BigShadow, thank you for your reply. just to clear things up you think i should take 100mg prop eod for 6 weeks, and then when the 6 weeks are over 25 days of clomid and nolvadex?

[CleanSweep]

Hey man, you're 19! You shouldn't be even thinking about needing to use AAS yet; your natural test is through the roof. If you eat and train right you should be making massive gains without going into AAS. You should definitely wait till you are at least 25, let your endocrine system do work! Fix your diet up, start taking creatine and stay natural for now, so you don't fuck yourself in the long run. (if you want to bulk up, EAT MORE)

I honestly can't think of any reason you should be looking to pin test so early, you are honestly just going to hurt yourself in the long run, especially without even putting the time in to know what a proper PCT is! Even if you were playing D-I football I think anyone would advise you to wait a few years. Get to a real weight naturally (you should be able to get over 200 easy with good diet and exercise) and get some age under your belt before moving to AAS.

Also, a man dose is 500 mg a week test e.

[BigShadow]

I agree with clean sweep but if your determined then yes eod 100mg. Pct layout should be fine just have an ai oh in case you have issues. FYI I did a lot of bad stuff at to young an age and I am still paying the price.