Originally Posted by leoclaw79
So i bought a 10 mL vian that contains 100 mg test prop
ace / 50 mg masteron
per mL. My proposed cycle is the following:
Day 1: 200 mg test
prop/ 100 mg tren
ace/ 100 mg masteron (2 mL)
Day 2: 100/50/50 (1 mL)
Days 2-12: 70/35/35 ED (.7 mL/day until vial is finished)
This will be my first time using injections so i have a few questions...
Will this amount of masteron significantly keep estrogenic effects down?
A few weeks ago i did my first 2 week cycle of 50 mg dianabol
ED and loved it...minus the bloating lol. To what degree does test prop
aromatize compared to dbol
And will this hurt like crazy because it is 200 mL of short acting esters (that would need benzyl alcohol to increase solubility?
I am also open to any other suggestions as to how else i could optimally use just that vial in 2 weeks as well as any other critique (especially from bill roberts).
IF one vial is all you have then dose it to run out on day 10. The day one dose you suggested is fine. However, is the Masteron in the prop
ester. If it is then it's fine to use for a two weeker. Add dbol to your cycle for sure!
Masteron is a weak anti e.... If using stuff like test
and dbol is decent doses it isn't going to offer enough anti e help.
If you are going to do two weekers you need to really take full advantage of the 14 days. Do not be concerned about sides....sides take TIME to develop. In two weeks you are not going to loose hair(if you have that genetic tendency), you're not going to mess up your prostate, you're not going to get much acne. Yeah, you're good cholesterol(hdl) will be crap but it rebounds fast after you stop.
will give you acne though lol
This means at least moderately large doses of powerful fast acting fast clearing gear, and you need to stop the prop
ester injectables at day 10 or 11, depending on the dose. You need to take advantage of days 10 through 14 too, and that means either test
suspension or an oral. Testosterone
in any ester aromatizes as healthy as dbol.....it's all dose dependent regarding the water retention/bloat you get.
Masteron needs to be taken in large doses....I'm taking at least 600mg a week and a gram is better. At good doses it's a very good anabolic. I don't think Masteron is the best choice for a two weeker unless you take a large dose. Tren
is a better choice.
NOTE: Most guys get some insomnia on tren
and it happens fast.
Doing tren/mast and test prop
is a hell of a lot of injection volume per day....not a good idea unless you are really good at using all the upper/outer glutes/hip and lateral thigh.
This is my recommendation to you.
Use the vial up.
Day one as you said.
Dose it so that you run out after day 11's shot.
Dbol!!!! 50 mg per day through day 14. On workout days do half the dbol 2 hours before training and then the other half spread out throughout the rest of the day. On non workout days divide the dose up evenly throughout the day. Letro
...at least .5mg per day and start a few days before the cycle starts. PCT
...continue with the letro
100mg on day one or nolva
40 on day one is likely enough but you could front load more. Then 50 of clomid a day or 20 of nolva. I like letrozole
A LOT as I hate high estrogen levels. In my opinion and from my experience and the experience of guys I train, letro is actually better for PCT than any SERM
. Watch the dose...the stuff is strong shit. When off cycle .5mg/day is plenty.
Estrogen levels will be low by day 16(as will androgen levels) so a SERM or AI really has no affect on stimulating GnRH release from the hypothalamus and thus no affect on LH release from the pituitary. As an aside... Most guys don't understand this and it's why they get into trouble after long cycle. BY FAR the most important thing in regards to test
recovery post traditional cycle is to prevent or at least minimize testicular shrinkage with HCG
at 250iu's every other day.
What happens is that T rebounds quickly in a 2 weeker because the pituitary is not inhibited. So LH starts to pulse up right very quickly. The testes have not shrunk (ok a tiny bit) so they start producing good amounts of T again. NOW the letro and or SERM(Clomid or Nolva for example) start to have an impact AFTER T production starts to approach your normal level, which for most guys is around 450-600ng/dl.
Stay on the SERM and or letro for a couple weeks. This actually makes your T go quite a bit higher than normal. and it could peak out at 1200ng/dl or more. LH is higher than normal while in the two weeks "on" it was pretty hammered down. So, over a 4 week period you would have put out a normal monthly total for LH, and I think that's a good idea. WHY, because even though you cannot see any testicular shrinkage I am sure a little does take place in the two weeks "on". The higher T also helps you keep you gains, Then stop the SERM and or letro and your T level will slowly drop back to YOUR normal.
More examples of good 2 weekers.
300mg day one and then 150 day. Stop after day 10
dbol as above
Letro as above
PCT as above.
KILLER GOOD! Maybe best Eva(NY accent).... yeah you'll get some drol bloat and there is nothing you can do about that. Anadrol
100mg a day in two doses for 14 days Tren
ace 150mg day one front load then 100mg/day for 10 days.
PCT as above
KILLER #2 Super good too. Test prop
300mg day one then 150mg and stop after day 10 Tren
ace as above
dbol as above
Letro 1.25mg per day
PCT as above
Decent two weeker...dbol only at 50mg/day(letro used) and a little better yet, anadrol only at 100mg/day(no letro).
I strongly believe in increasing the number of times that a muscle group is hit directly in this two week period. You CANNOT do this in a long cycle without recovery problems! You certainly cannot do it while off gear!!!
Three way split.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday....Thursday off....Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Monday off...rotating like this. That hits each muscle group directly once every 4th day. Keep all pushing exercises on one day and all pulling on another and legs on the last day. Can take one more day off somewhere in the mix if you need to. That would hit each muscle group directly once every 5th day.
If you don't keep pushing work on one day and all pulling work on another then you'll end up working the tri's and bi's and shoulders more than once every 4-5 days and that's too much.
High intensity low to lowish volume. Deadllifts and or full squats are mandatory for overall body gains and obviously for legs and back. STRICT form in everything. Intensifiers like forced reps , rest pause reps, some cheat reps after getting at least 5 perfect reps.(not cheating on the squats and dead or course) No touch and go deads...re-set for each rep!
DIET 200mg/day of protein is more than enough.
Fats....next to no saturated fat....lots of omega 3 and 6 fats.
Sleep...lots...a daily 30 minute nap is great too. Good luck sleeping on the tren
Off cycle....Three way Split training every other day at MOST. Many will need to drop to just Monday-Wednesday-Friday and hard gainers need to do a two way split training only 2 days a week, with perhaps ancillary exercises on a couple other days ie: abbs/forearms
Two weekers....GO BIG or don't bother!