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[Pericles]

Planning my summer program and was thinking about my gear. I have an unopened Roxi blend, 250 test and 250 Deca. I have a micro tear in my hamstring, and another at my elbow. So

Weeks 1-2: 500 mgs test c and 500 Deca D
Weeks 3-4, 500 test c and a bit of sustenon so test will be at 600 or so, Deca still at 500.

Weeks 5-10, blending sus w/ t c, 500 mgs, maybe a bit more per week. Masteron e (yes, enanthate) 350 per week. 60 mgs of var 4 times a week, on the days I weight train.

I do cardio and abs the other 3 days. It should be noted that I will be doing 20 minutes on the heavy bags after an hour of extremely hard lifting, 3 days a week along w/ some yoga. I am also doing abs between rounds (IE give myself no rest). I cannot train this hard/as much w/ out the gear. For example, right now, I am off all gear except HCG and Letro. On MWF I do the lifting/yoga/kickboxing/abs routine 3 days a week, but regular cardio only once a week I cut my training from 7 to 5 days a week.

Weeks 11-13 I first drop the var, then the mast and after week 13, I do 200 mgs of test a week for 2 more weeks. I will also run an appropriate amount of AI.

I can discuss serm/ai use, always have them on hand, but am going to sleep right now.

 

[Pericles]

OK, so to simplify:

Weeks 1-2; 500 mgs Test c and 500 mgs Deca D

Weeks 3-4; 600 mgs Test c/sustenon and 500 mgs of Deca

Weeks 5-10; 550 mgs sus, 350 Mast e, weekly total of 240 mgs of Var

Weeks 11-13; Drop Var and Mast, reduce Test to 200 mgs a week

Weeks 14-15 200 mgs of test per week

I will then run 2.5 K Ius' of HCG e2d for a month. I have all serms, AIs' and a script for my HCG.

I used to run HCG for 3 weeks starting 5 days after last shot (100 mgs') of test c/e. giving me 26 days to clear esters. I would then run Clomid 100 mgs a day and nolva 40 mgs a day for 7 days. then reduce Nolva to 20 mgs, then Clomid to 50, getting down to just 10 mgs of nolva by 4th week.

I used to restart no problem w/ the above protocol, but it seems that my HPTA refuses to restart, so I will just run HCG for 4 weeks, then go back to trt.

 

[beezil]

Planning my summer program and was thinking about my gear. I have an unopened Roxi blend, 250 test and 250 Deca. I have a micro tear in my hamstring, and another at my elbow. So

Weeks 1-2: 500 mgs test c and 500 Deca D
Weeks 3-4, 500 test c and a bit of sustenon so test will be at 600 or so, Deca still at 500.

Weeks 5-10, blending sus w/ t c, 500 mgs, maybe a bit more per week. Masteron e (yes, enanthate) 350 per week. 60 mgs of var 4 times a week, on the days I weight train.

I do cardio and abs the other 3 days. It should be noted that I will be doing 20 minutes on the heavy bags after an hour of extremely hard lifting, 3 days a week along w/ some yoga. I am also doing abs between rounds (IE give myself no rest). I cannot train this hard/as much w/ out the gear. For example, right now, I am off all gear except HCG and Letro. On MWF I do the lifting/yoga/kickboxing/abs routine 3 days a week, but regular cardio only once a week I cut my training from 7 to 5 days a week.

Weeks 11-13 I first drop the var, then the mast and after week 13, I do 200 mgs of test a week for 2 more weeks. I will also run an appropriate amount of AI.

I can discuss serm/ai use, always have them on hand, but am going to sleep right now.

No TRT??

 

[beezil]

OK, so to simplify:

Weeks 1-2; 500 mgs Test c and 500 mgs Deca D

Weeks 3-4; 600 mgs Test c/sustenon and 500 mgs of Deca

Weeks 5-10; 550 mgs sus, 350 Mast e, weekly total of 240 mgs of Var

Weeks 11-13; Drop Var and Mast, reduce Test to 200 mgs a week

Weeks 14-15 200 mgs of test per week

I will then run 2.5 K Ius' of HCG e2d for a month. I have all serms, AIs' and a script for my HCG.

I used to run HCG for 3 weeks starting 5 days after last shot (100 mgs') of test c/e. giving me 26 days to clear esters. I would then run Clomid 100 mgs a day and nolva 40 mgs a day for 7 days. then reduce Nolva to 20 mgs, then Clomid to 50, getting down to just 10 mgs of nolva by 4th week.

I used to restart no problem w/ the above protocol, but it seems that my HPTA refuses to restart, so I will just run HCG for 4 weeks, then go back to trt.

P,
I love reading your cycles. It reminds me of a mad scientist experiment...[)] Although this one look like a fun one!
You should be GTG.
Although, i am not a big fan of Deca because of the bloat.

I like to stick to my tried and true Test and tren... with some Masteron and occasional Halo.

Nice thing about Test and Mast. It has no ill effect on my cardio... atleast that I have perceived.

Tren is another matter. but the gains are stellar.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

You're a vet here, and I'm just a noob, but anyways...
Under normal circumstances, I would probably say to much deca in your deca/test ratio, but with the injuries, Deca will be your best friend.
Just a word of caution on the injuries, although I'm sure you're well aware of it. The Deca will have you working pain free fro the most part, but the injuries are not actually healing. I once had a micro tear on my labrum, and Deca kept me training and in the game pain free. I don't think I'd have been able to stay in the gym without it. After the cycle, the pain came back worse, and the micro tear had turned into a much bigger problem that I hadn't really noticed from all the lube I was getting from the Deca.
Just be careful with the training and Good Luck!

 

[Pericles]

You guys are spot on, I am quite mad, but there is a method

I am concerned that yes, I really want more test than deca, but I have a blend that is 250 of each per cc. That is why I bump up the test by week 3.

And yes, I agree that the deca provides more comfort that actual repair. I have been doing 10 reps w/ 250 lbs on my deads, which back in my prime would have been considered as a p^%$& weight. I have also switched from lying leg curls (throwing the weight too much) which caused the micro tear in the first place, to sitting leg curls.

Also, I have a half bottle of 200 mg per cc of Tren E, but I really want to step up my cardio on this cycle. One of the main reasons I cycle is so I can do an hour of very hard weights, followed by 25 minutes on the bags. I am also going to start teaching a self defense course, and I make everyone either grapple for 24 minutes straight, (4 6 minute rounds) or do non-stop bag work for 25 minutes.

These 25 year old kids will sit out a round, and then come back in on me while I have had no rest, the little bastards. No way I could hang if I were on tren. It is hard as hell at the age of 50 to keep these little fucks in line

The movies, where the 140 lb 60 year old Kung Fu masters who beat everyone's' ass are 100% out of line w/ reality.

 

[beezil]

You guys are spot on, I am quite mad, but there is a method

I am concerned that yes, I really want more test than deca, but I have a blend that is 250 of each per cc. That is why I bump up the test by week 3.

And yes, I agree that the deca provides more comfort that actual repair. I have been doing 10 reps w/ 250 lbs on my deads, which back in my prime would have been considered as a p^%$& weight. I have also switched from lying leg curls (throwing the weight too much) which caused the micro tear in the first place, to sitting leg curls.

Also, I have a half bottle of 200 mg per cc of Tren E, but I really want to step up my cardio on this cycle. One of the main reasons I cycle is so I can do an hour of very hard weights, followed by 25 minutes on the bags. I am also going to start teaching a self defense course, and I make everyone either grapple for 24 minutes straight, (4 6 minute rounds) or do non-stop bag work for 25 minutes.

These 25 year old kids will sit out a round, and then come back in on me while I have had no rest, the little bastards. No way I could hang if I were on tren. It is hard as hell at the age of 50 to keep these little fucks in line

The movies, where the 140 lb 60 year old Kung Fu masters who beat everyone's' ass are 100% out of line w/ reality.

P,

I have been training in Escrima and Kali…and a little Gracie Jiujitsu/grappling for the last 20 or so years. Obviously, with the focus of termination rather than MMA.

Nice thing about Kali and Escrima… their open hand drills are the same with a stick and blade…. or a brick. Blade entry points and open hand strike zones are similar as well.

I will still put the small Phillipinos up against anyone. Pound for pound… the soft tissue damage they deliver is devastating. The anatomy becomes very important when your a small fighter.
Speed and Accuracy is power. Not just brute force and strength.

We don't call it tendon rip pin for nothing.

Don't forget those same kungfu masters have an innate ability to fly as well.
Im still working on floating…. [)]

 

[Pericles]

I used to get calls from people who wanted to start jits when I was helping to run our school back in NY.

They would often ask "can you teach me how to defend against a knife?"

I said yes.....RUN, or have a gun.

And you are correct, the Philippinos are way, way better than everyone else when it comes to knife and stick fighting. I trained w/ one a few times back when I had a flip gf in Chicago. The only catch is, it is very hard to find quality FMA. My current wife is half Pinay, half Spanish. I tease her, calling her a "Spanipino." Our son is a Scottipino.

Back when the Spanish controlled the Philipines, they outlawed any kind of stick or knife weapon because they learned first hand how deadly they were.

There has been some stuff on the net, where a Kali or Escrima trained person, was able to close the distance from 10 yards away on someone armed w/ a gun, but could not draw fast enough to get off a shot before being stabbed. That is why I practice drawing and getting on target as quickly as possible.

As long as I am ranting I am very big on lineage in any martial art I practice. Ground fighting, the Brazillians are the best. Boxing, where I trained w/ the Dammato guys in NY, Muay Thai, a real Thai champ etc.

And yes, the rules in MMA don't allow many things that are possible in a street fight. That is why you see guys turtle safely....the gloves make the rear naked harder to get, and more importantly, you cannot strike to the back of the head.

Old School G (Gracie) JJ was designed for street fighting. If you saw one of Renzos early fight (against the Olympic Judo guy) Renzo was raining down elbows on the back of the head, and then the fight was over.

However one thing should be clear (and this is to all the BS that "my martial art is too dangerous to allow full sparring) the guy who wins in the ring/cage would 19 out of 20 times win on the street.

 

[beezil]

P,

You hit all points spot on. Especialy with blades… its not a question of who wins with knives. its who's bleeding the least, and requires the least amount of stitches.

I spent a lot of years in and out of the Philippines training and participating with colonialism, nationalism, and democracy missions. Many Operators adopt a form of Philippino and shoot fighting for their open hand focus; as well as Isreali KM(whole other subject). Living in and out of the islands blessed me with the opportunities to train with some great Escrima and Kali families. It was an honor.

My point is never underestimate your opponent. Usually the quiet small guy in the corner can deliver the most amount of damage.

Although i agree with you in regards to cage fighters winning in the ring vs street. MMA is not the only sport fighting… I training early (6yo) in karate and TKD.. by 14 i was a sport fighter and black belt fighting in tournaments all over the midwest WIth a big head…. which quickly was changed by the first KungFu/Shuai Chiao opponent that spared no pain delivery in a racquet ball court.

The difference is… termination fighters quickly dispatch their opponents with anticipation of multiple attackers. Ie combat situations. Not to say the same mentality isn't there with sport fighters… but having to cross paths with that opponent will never be a scenario in termination scenarios… or combat related.

Always a pleasure reading your experiences; thank you.

 

[Pericles]

OK, since I have clearly hijacked my own thread[)] I love discussing this type of stuff.

The last place I want to be in a street fight is on my back using my guard....however, I train that just in case I get put there. I wrestled in High School, and my old GJJ school was heavily wrestling based. We had one Michigan State champ...guy was only 165 lbs and I had a hell of a time taking him down, even though I was a 3 year varsity wrestler in HS. Mid West wrestling is some of the best in the world, and our school had a couple of other wrestling champs. We always had a joke about BJJ guys "he has BJJ takedowns" which translated to "his takedowns are weak."

That is what sometimes makes me laugh about some other martial arts. I was thinking about maybe doing some Krav, mostly for some weapon stuff, their stick/knife fighting are derived from fma, yes? What amuses me is that they say "we emphasize staying off the ground in a street fight", but someone who wrestled all their life would/could take them down at will.

Now, if someone w/ a strong wrestling background wanted to stay off the ground, then he probably would. Wrestling is very important, because being good at it allows you to take the fight wherever you want to go. Also, most people don't know how to fall, if I clinched w/ them, I would toss them on their head, and they would get a case of concrete poisoning. When I was bouncing, I dumped a guy so hard that he was bleeding out of his ear (he punched me first, so I did not go to jail...I was fired, however). He sustained some permanent damage to his neck/spine.

Another thing, the fight between Nick Diaz and GSP illustrates an important point: What we see in the cage is not representative of a life/death fighting situation. Nick (I rolled w/him once many years ago, btw) has one of the best MMA guards , and GSP has one of the best top games. Consequently, they spent a lot of time stalemating each other.

However, in a street fight, Nick would need about 2 seconds to destroy a typical guy on top of him, and GSP would need maybe 3 seconds w/ his top game. We all like to disparage the ground game, but people who begin training BJJ/GJJ get tapped immediately and quickly understand why it is important to be strong in this area.

For example, the knee on belly was designed to control someone on the ground while assessing any other danger (like his friends coming at you). You need some clothes for a proper knee on belly, and that is why you do not see it in the UFC or MMA. You put the knee right in his sternum, and then pull his clothes up. That means, he would have all 220 lbs of my weight on him, plus me pulling up on his clothes and making it almost impossible to breath. Very painful situation for him. Well trained LE use this technique all the time.

When I teach, the emphasis is always a street situation. The bottom line is you don't want any weak points anywhere.

 

[Pericles]

P,

You hit all points spot on. Especialy with blades… its not a question of who wins with knives. its who's bleeding the least, and requires the least amount of stitches.

I spent a lot of years in and out of the Philippines training and participating with colonialism, nationalism, and democracy missions. Many Operators adopt a form of Philippino and shoot fighting for their open hand focus; as well as Isreali KM(whole other subject). Living in and out of the islands blessed me with the opportunities to train with some great Escrima and Kali families. It was an honor.

My point is never underestimate your opponent. Usually the quiet small guy in the corner can deliver the most amount of damage.

Although i agree with you in regards to cage fighters winning in the ring vs street. MMA is not the only sport fighting… I training early (6yo) in karate and TKD.. by 14 i was a sport fighter and black belt fighting in tournaments all over the midwest WIth a big head…. which quickly was changed by the first KungFu/Shuai Chiao opponent that spared no pain delivery in a racquet ball court.

The difference is… termination fighters quickly dispatch their opponents with anticipation of multiple attackers. Ie combat situations. Not to say the same mentality isn't there with sport fighters… but having to cross paths with that opponent will never be a scenario in termination scenarios… or combat related.

Always a pleasure reading your experiences; thank you.

Many MMA fans disparage TKD, but it is an excellent MA for young children. My son started when he was 4. I can't take him any more due to my new business, but as soon as I can I will. Yes, TKD is not, if practiced alone, a good self defense MA, but it develops a lot of excellent abilities in young children. GSP and Bones/Jones both had some TKD background.

You don't want young kids getting hit in the head or submitted (too dangerous) but TKD skills will help build athleticism, respect, and discipline. I will start my son wrestling at 8, and training in MMA when he is about 10, even though he already knows how to get out of a rear naked choke. [)].

 

[beezil]

Many MMA fans disparage TKD, but it is an excellent MA for young children. My son started when he was 4. I can't take him any more due to my new business, but as soon as I can I will. Yes, TKD is not, if practiced alone, a good self defense MA, but it develops a lot of excellent abilities in young children. GSP and Bones/Jones both had some TKD background.

You don't want young kids getting hit in the head or submitted (too dangerous) but TKD skills will help build athleticism, respect, and discipline. I will start my son wrestling at 8, and training in MMA when he is about 10, even though he already knows how to get out of a rear naked choke. [)].

Well said. I keep telling my wife… her daughter just turned 6.
I want to get her into TKD…. for the reasons you stated.

Although, I participated and excelled in team sports when i was in school. The most rewarding were the sports that only involved myself. FIghting… running… swimming…
i was in control of all aspects of winning and losing. My opponent had to be better than ME… not the team.

anyhow, back on topic. When is the cycle starting?? and aren't you on TRT??? or just taking a break…

 

[Pericles]

Yes, I am on TRT....but I still take a month off 3 times a year, even more important since I blast.

 

[beezil]

Yes, I am on TRT....but I still take a month off 3 times a year, even more important since I blast.

Since i was just prescribed TRT… I am very curious about your statement: since I blast.

What exacty do you mean by that?? my weekly dose is 200mg CYP… do you step up that weekly dose to 350 or so??? and how long??

sorry about all the questions; but, i have been researching this as of late… since starting TRT.

thanks P

 

[MythotiK]

I want a script for trt

 

[beezil]

so far so good… only a month in.

 

[Pericles]

Since i was just prescribed TRT… I am very curious about your statement: since I blast.

What exacty do you mean by that?? my weekly dose is 200mg CYP… do you step up that weekly dose to 350 or so??? and how long??

sorry about all the questions; but, i have been researching this as of late… since starting TRT.

thanks P

200 mgs is a solid replacement amount...been on that amount for 2.5 years. Since I left academia and purchased a fitness related business I started cycling again. Blast is exactly what I am doing (see post 1 of this thread). So when one is on trt (200 mgs) and does an all out cycle, that is blasting. I am blasting. My trt doc is not pleased, but I try and stay w/ moderate test, var and mast. Admittedly, my amounts on this cycle are on the high side.

But at least I am staying off tren

 

[beezil]

200 mgs is a solid replacement amount...been on that amount for 2.5 years. Since I left academia and purchased a fitness related business I started cycling again. Blast is exactly what I am doing (see post 1 of this thread). So when one is on trt (200 mgs) and does an all out cycle, that is blasting. I am blasting. My trt doc is not pleased, but I try and stay w/ moderate test, var and mast. Admittedly, my amounts on this cycle are on the high side.

But at least I am staying off tren

thank you!

 

[Wiscon]

Yes, I am on TRT....but I still take a month off 3 times a year, even more important since I blast.

What's the purpose of the trt hiatus? Don't your T levels tank by the end of the month off?

 

[Pericles]

What's the purpose of the trt hiatus? Don't your T levels tank by the end of the month off?

My doc (nationally respected authority on trt) wants you to take a month off every 6 months. He prescribes 3k IUs e2d of HCG for that month. I have been off for 2 weeks. I will stay off for 2 more. I have been toying w/ the idea of a serm run at the end of HCG...always was able to get natty back up, until the last time.
I usually start feeling the serms after 6 days (starting one day after last shot of HCG) but last pct, I was still low test at day 8