MK677 & CJC w/dac LOG!!

[tenpoundsleft]

I've never had that Discoloration.
I've also done BPC-157, though not at the same time as TB-500............. JP
P.S.
Looks like an Irritation possibly caused by whatever you're using to Reconstitute with.
Are you using BA water or 0.09% Sodium Chloride.
BA water causes me a little irritation.
I like the 0.09% Sodium Chloride better.

I'll try that next time - BA right now - but I've had no reactions elsewhere. And it was just a color change, no itchiness or irritation otherwise.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Why are you site injecting them? The way TB works there is no benefit to site injections. I am not sure about BPC-157. Are there benefits to site injecting that?

Also JP so you noticed a pump from the MK? Just wondering what to be aware of in the way of effects.
TY

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Why are you site injecting them? The way TB works there is no benefit to site injections. I am not sure about BPC-157. Are there benefits to site injecting that?

Also JP so you noticed a pump from the MK? Just wondering what to be aware of in the way of effects.
TY

Jimmy,

I saw several posts online about people saying that although TB500 is systemic, it works better if done close to the injury.

Here's one place I saw: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/peptide-science/629324-tb-500-help.html

Here's one on BPC-157 - mixed message: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/120969-bpc-157-injection-site.html

If peptides are always systemic and it doesn't matter, then I'm more than happy to go back to SQ in the middle of the body - I don't enjoy pinning right into the biceps.

 

[jp4355]

Why are you site injecting them? The way TB works there is no benefit to site injections. I am not sure about BPC-157. Are there benefits to site injecting that?

Also JP so you noticed a pump from the MK? Just wondering what to be aware of in the way of effects.
TY

To Jimmy:
I was taking Taurine every day, the Pumps were very similar to Anavar.
I didn't get any Cramping, but I kept thinking I might.
But the Pump last so much longer than anything else I've done.
If I remember correctly, near the end of the 1st week, it really started to kick in.
It took me almost that long to figure out which Dosing Protocol worked best for me.
That's the 1 thing that seems to vary Person to Person.

I remember one day I super-setted Back and Chest with Moderate weight and High Reps.
I could feel my Chest and Lats sticking out all day long.
It felt great, you'll see what I'm talking about Shortly.

On the TB and BPC.
I found that even though TB-500 is Systemic, I seemed to have slightly better effect with a Site Specific Injection, maybe that's cause I was doing it very close to my Hip.
The BPC-157 is supposed to be done either Site-Specific or as close to the Injury as is Possible.......................... JP

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Jimmy,

I saw several posts online about people saying that although TB500 is systemic, it works better if done close to the injury.

Here's one place I saw: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/peptide-science/629324-tb-500-help.html

Here's one on BPC-157 - mixed message: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/120969-bpc-157-injection-site.html

If peptides are always systemic and it doesn't matter, then I'm more than happy to go back to SQ in the middle of the body - I don't enjoy pinning right into the biceps.

I am very well versed on tb500, a lot of knowledge and personal experience so I know for a fact that sub q inject with it is fine. Having educated myself on how it works and having personally used it there is really no advantage to site injection at all with it. Now BPC I do not know as much about and I have never used it. I will say this, the biggest proponent of site injecting in the thread you linked too, well his rational doesnt make any sense. Thats not to say there isnt benefit to site injecting it, just his reasons why are not accurate IMO.
I am going to do my homework on BPC 157 and share my thoughts on site inject has any advantage over sub q. Thats not to say my thoughts will be the be all end all but at least I will formulate my opinion on how the peptide actually works to accomplish what it dooes for whatever thats worth. I would like to know this for myself anyway so I am happy to look into it.

 

[jcc80]

Great, I'm gonna start following this log. I've been on mk677 for a couple months at 12.5 per night.

My goal has been subtle but steady growth, but mainly anti aging type stuff. However, I've been interested lately in adding some low dose CJC (either dac or not, haven't decided yet) for a little extra kick.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

9/4/2015:
So last night I took my 25mg MK677 and again I slept like a log. People have reported some restlessness with this stuff but I dont know if because I am using the CJC w/DAC alongside it or what but I am sleeping like a baby. In fact I am waking up a little groggy for a few minutes until I clear the cobwebs. I seem to be getting a deep, deep sleep. That's great for me as sometimes I have sleep issues. I did good with my supps yesterday as well. Took the HGW & GTE, all 3 doses, yesterday. This am upon waking I did my normal NAC, Cialis, Multi, HGW, & GTE.
One thing I did notice this am is I am retaining a bit of water. Now in all fairness i ate a LOT of sauerkraut yesterday. Way more than I probably should have. I had pork tenderloin w/ sauerkraut along with red potatoes for dinner. I ate a ton of the sauerkraut and while it has little impact macro wise there is a lot of sodium in it so the water could very well be from that. Its something Ill keep an eye on and update as to whether I lose the water retention or if it is possibly from the mk/cjc stack.
Tonight will be my second shot of CJC w/DAC. My orginal dosing plan was 250mcg E3D but my first dose I did what was probably 300mcg and I think I am going to keep doing a tad over the initial planned 250mcg making the dose 300mcg E3D.

 

[jp4355]

To Jimmyinkedup:
Please let me know how you do with the Water Retention.
Curious as to whether the CJC will Mitigate that somewhat.

Pay close attention to your Wrists and Hands.
Thanks.............................. JP

 

[coco7686]

i am on day 33 of mk677. I only notice slightly better sleep. I Tried 25mg morning on its own. 25mg at night on its own. 25mg 2x per day. I am not sure if mine is underdosed but i wouldnt run it again.

 

[jp4355]

i am on day 33 of mk677. I only notice slightly better sleep. I Tried 25mg morning on its own. 25mg at night on its own. 25mg 2x per day. I am not sure if mine is underdosed but i wouldnt run it again.

You're not noticing any Increased Muscle Pump or Improved Recuperation ?
How about any Fluid Retention around the Wrists or Hands ?
How about an Increase in Appetite.

I started to get all of the above before I noticed Improved Sleep............... JP
P.S.
Started to notice Fat Loss around Day 10, even though I had Fluid Retention.
Waist definitely got smaller.

 

[ebkallday]

You're not noticing any Increased Muscle Pump or Improved Recuperation ?
How about any Fluid Retention around the Wrists or Hands ?
How about an Increase in Appetite.

I started to get all of the above before I noticed Improved Sleep............... JP
P.S.
Started to notice Fat Loss around Day 10, even though I had Fluid Retention.
Waist definitely got smaller.

JP, did you run it with gear?

 

[jp4355]

JP, did you run it with gear?

Yes, I was doing NPP and Prop @ 100 Mg each EOD..................... JP
P.S.
I was also doing 50 Mg of Bayer Proviron ED.

 

[coco7686]

You're not noticing any Increased Muscle Pump or Improved Recuperation ?
How about any Fluid Retention around the Wrists or Hands ?
How about an Increase in Appetite.

I started to get all of the above before I noticed Improved Sleep............... JP
P.S.
Started to notice Fat Loss around Day 10, even though I had Fluid Retention.
Waist definitely got smaller.

umm i noticed i gained maybe 5 lbs water which was expected. But no pumps, recuperation is hard to tell. Not too much of an increase in appetite, but i have been eating like shit and staying the same weight. Just for the money its not worth it to me.

did you take yours morning or night? What mg dosage?

 

[jp4355]

umm i noticed i gained maybe 5 lbs water which was expected. But no pumps, recuperation is hard to tell. Not too much of an increase in appetite, but i have been eating like shit and staying the same weight. Just for the money its not worth it to me.

did you take yours morning or night? What mg dosage?

I tried all the different Methods of taking it.
All in the AM, all in the PM, split dose AM & PM.
All in the AM worked best for me.

I was taking the recommended Dose of 25 Mg. per day............... JP

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I'm taking a break from my peptide regimen - I was bloating something fierce, my body water percentage went above 60% (per Omron/Tanita equipment). Getting back on in a week, but with a lower dose.

 

[jp4355]

I'm taking a break from my peptide regimen - I was bloating something fierce, my body water percentage went above 60% (per Omron/Tanita equipment). Getting back on in a week, but with a lower dose.

Did you have a rise in BP or not...................... JP
P.S.
What is your Current Dose, I don't recall.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Did you have a rise in BP or not...................... JP
P.S.
What is your Current Dose, I don't recall.

I typically have rather low BP, i.e. get dizzy standing up quickly. So I never measure it, has never been a need. I do think it increased though - my last two negative incline press sessions felt uncomfortable, like my head was pounding, pressure behind my eyes. It was weird, not used to that, unpleasant.

Well, the stacked dose is probably my issue - I might have gotten carried away, stacking Ostarine, MK-677, Ipamorelin, CJC-1295, BP500, and BPC157.

The doses were typical for all of them. Except for the MK-677 where I used 25mg before nighttime, and 25mg immediately on waking up, ca. 30-45 minutes before breakfast. Maybe 50 mg of MK-677 per day is too much - or maybe just when combined with the rest?

Anyway, I rapidly went from 188 to about 210lbs... crazy! My feet look worse than coming off a trans-Pacific flight. Giving it a rest now, and when I go back, I'll do it in stages to isolate what triggered the big bloat. And also stick to 25mg EOD. Lesson learned.

On a brighter note, my lower bicep tendons do feel MUCH better now - which was the main goal of the exercise.

 

[jp4355]

You're probably Correct, the extra 25 Mg of MK-677 was most likely the Culprit.

From a Study that I read, there was No Increase in Results when Patients did 50 Mg a Day.
So 25 Mg a Day is more than Sufficient.
Also from my Experience, I think that you'll see much less Bloat at 25 Mg vs 50 mg.

Yes like I mentioned, I had Edema at the Hands/Wrists and Calf's.
When I would take off my Socks, I could see an Indentation around my Ankles.
I had to stop wearing my Calf Compression Sleeves, they were Too Tight and caused me some Pain after a couple of hours............................ JP
P.S.
Glad to hear that the Bicep Tendon is feeling better.

 

[XKawN]

Yo jimmy, you having problems with blood pressure? Curious why the cialis?

 

[jcc80]

Jimmy, a couple times you mentioned microgram doses of the cjc dac. Judging by other logs, I'd expect to see 2500 mcg e3d rather than 250 mcg.

Just wanted some clarification. Thanks for the log, looking forward to seeing the results.