Nicolaus

Member
Hello beautiful people

Before I get flamed or taunted, I would like to point out I am a complete newbie and would appreciate clarification please.

Never have done a cycle and do not plan on doing any soon, want to do as much research before I do.

1) Why dont people just do deca only or primo only cycle if they are highly anabolic and not as androgenic as test? Besides the obvious libido issue. I've read that "deca dick" isn't completely true (prolactin issues)

2) Why do people use test if it is very androgenic and aromatizes to estrogen easily. Is this where AI's come into play? I've read that using AI just causes more DHT which is bad for acne, hair loss, and prostate enlargement.

3) How do you know how much test to use to maximize gains while minimizing as much side effects. I've read that up to 1 gram a week should suffice?

4) How do you know how much estrogen you should have (avoiding excessive AI use to prevent low estrogen side effects)

5) Is it a good idea to take different tests for a cycle (Short and long esters)? Why or why not?

6) I just went to another page and read that deca is a progestin which is similar to progesterone? Why are there so many sides to everything??!!!


I have more questions but I believe I already asked too many.


I appreciate any response and insults
 
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1) Your dick won't work properly.

2) Test is a pretty friendly steroid as far as sides, it's effective and it makes you feel like a champ.

3) Experimentation. Start at 500mg and see how it works. There's no reason to take more if you still get solid results at that dose.

4) Get pre-cycle bloodwork done to measure your baseline E2. That will give you a general idea of where you stand as far as natural estrogen levels. Get bloodwork done again mid-cycle to see if your AI dose is too much or too little. Familiarize yourself with the symptoms of high and low estrogen.
 

Bradly

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Erin

Member
Hello beautiful people

Before I get flamed or taunted, I would like to point out I am a complete newbie and would appreciate clarification please.

Never have done a cycle and do not plan on doing any soon, want to do as much research before I do.

1) Why dont people just do deca only or primo only cycle if they are highly anabolic and not as androgenic as test? Besides the obvious libido issue. I've read that "deca dick" isn't completely true (prolactin issues)

2) Why do people use test if it is very androgenic and aromatizes to estrogen easily. Is this where AI's come into play? I've read that using AI just causes more DHT which is bad for acne, hair loss, and prostate enlargement.

3) How do you know how much test to use to maximize gains while minimizing as much side effects. I've read that up to 1 gram a week should suffice?

4) How do you know how much estrogen you should have (avoiding excessive AI use to prevent low estrogen side effects)

5) Is it a good idea to take different tests for a cycle (Short and long esters)? Why or why not?

6) I just went to another page and read that deca is a progestin which is similar to progesterone? Why are there so many sides to everything??!!!


I have more questions but I believe I already asked too many.


I appreciate any response and insults

1) They do. However, AAS suppress the endogenous androgen testosterone. With sufficiently low androgen, they can experience the symptoms of low-T.

2) Test is safe, effective, and widely available at low cost. An AI can address aromatization to estrogen.

3) Test is shown to be effective up to 600mg/w with comparatively minimal side effects (compared, to say, tren). Beyond this, most users describe diminishing returns.

4) Pre-cycle blood test, or 22-30 pg/mL. I keep mine around 33.

5) Yes, it is a good idea to end with a short ester to minimize the washout period and begin PCT sooner.

6) Yes, everything in life is a compromise. Nothing is free.
 

Nicolaus

Member
1) They do. However, AAS suppress the endogenous androgen testosterone. With sufficiently low androgen, they can experience the symptoms of low-T.

2) Test is safe, effective, and widely available at low cost. An AI can address aromatization to estrogen.

3) Test is shown to be effective up to 600mg/w with comparatively minimal side effects (compared, to say, tren). Beyond this, most users describe diminishing returns.

4) Pre-cycle blood work, or 22-30 pg/mL. I keep mine around 33.

5) Yes, it is a good idea to end with a short ester to minimize the washout period and begin PCT sooner.

6) Yes, everything in life is a compromise. Nothing is free.
1) Your dick won't work properly.

2) Test is a pretty friendly steroid as far as sides, it's effective and it makes you feel like a champ.

3) Experimentation. Start at 500mg and see how it works. There's no reason to take more if you still get solid results at that dose.

4) Get pre-cycle bloodwork done to measure your baseline E2. That will give you a general idea of where you stand as far as natural estrogen levels. Get bloodwork done again mid-cycle to see if your AI dose is too much or too little. Familiarize yourself with the symptoms of high and low estrogen.
Thank you brother!!
1) They do. However, AAS suppress the endogenous androgen testosterone. With sufficiently low androgen, they can experience the symptoms of low-T.

2) Test is safe, effective, and widely available at low cost. An AI can address aromatization to estrogen.

3) Test is shown to be effective up to 600mg/w with comparatively minimal side effects (compared, to say, tren). Beyond this, most users describe diminishing returns.

4) Pre-cycle blood work, or 22-30 pg/mL. I keep mine around 33.

5) Yes, it is a good idea to end with a short ester to minimize the washout period and begin PCT sooner.

6) Yes, everything in life is a compromise. Nothing is free.

I appreciate the detailed and informative responses.

What about the issue with increase in DHT from AI use. Also, could I use SERMs instead of an AI? What is the difference. Don't they both serve to lower estrogen

Also worth a shot, but would I be able to find a valid source on meso? I'm not expecting any specific sources just want to know if I can find something valid here
 

Erin

Member
Thank you brother!!


I appreciate the detailed and informative responses.

What about the issue with increase in DHT from AI use. Also, could I use SERMs instead of an AI? What is the difference. Don't they both serve to lower estrogen

Also worth a shot, but would I be able to find a valid source on meso? I'm not expecting any specific sources just want to know if I can find something valid here

No, SERMs do not lower estrogen. They act as mixed agonists and antagonists on the estrogen receptor. AIs directly reduce estrogen conversion.

Also, see the Underground
 

stone988

Member
If your "diet" and training are shit no roid is going to make a difference. make sure they are in check for years before you touch this crap.
 
Also, could I use SERMs instead of an AI? What is the difference. Don't they both serve to lower estrogen

You can use a SERM to prevent gyno on cycle, but a SERM will do nothing to prevent other high-estrogen symptoms like bloating and high blood pressure. SERMS block estrogen from receptors, they don't lower levels.

The Steroid Underground forum is your best bet for a source. Read the threads and find something promising.
 

Nicolaus

Member
You can use a SERM to prevent gyno on cycle, but a SERM will do nothing to prevent other high-estrogen symptoms like bloating and high blood pressure. SERMS block estrogen from receptors, they don't lower levels.

The Steroid Underground forum is your best bet for a source. Read the threads and find something promising.
I really appreciate your response. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
 

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