Compounded Test Cream

Discussion in 'Men's Health Forum' started by BrianEE93, May 23, 2008.

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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    I currently inject testosterone cypionate and I was talking to my doctor about it. He said if I wanted to stop the injections he could call in a prescription to a compounding pharmacy for a cream that is 10% testosterone in an ECB base. All I could find on this is that the doses are in whole or fractions of a ML. Does anyone know had my MGs of testosterone would be in one ML of this cream? Would the absorption be similar to androgel at about 10% on average?
     
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    eeso

    eeso Junior Member

    I use a 5% liposomal gel which is made by a compounding chemist. Works much better for me than shots.

    I believe 5% is the best strength according to studies, and if you need more you just use more of it, you don't increase the actual strength.

    I use 1gram a day in the morning.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    Does this absorb better than androgel? 1g=1000mgX5%=50mgX10%(absorption)=5mg/day. This is the dose of 5g Androgel which is 1%. I used this and my TT only went to 254ng/dL. That is why I went to injections and need to inject 100mg twice a week just to keep my levels in the upper normal level. I dose twice a week to smooth out my levels and keep my E2 down. I am happy with this treatment. The only reason I would even consider going back to a transdermal is if I could get a much higher dose than Androgel could ever give and to avoid injections.

    My new doctor says he will never prescribe Androgel because the dose is way too low for most people and the cost is extremely high compared to a higher concentration compounded cream. I checked and without insurance Androgel runs around $150-$200 a month. A compounding pharmacy said 90days of the 10% cream would run $101. What I don't know is how much is in 1ml since the 90days is 90ml. The new Dr. either recommends the TCyp injections or a strong cream.
     
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    eeso

    eeso Junior Member

    You need the compounded test to be in an oil carrier which will absorb it into your skin well.

    The guy who makes mine uses a very specialised one and I think he says he can get around 30-40% absorption.

    It's called "liposomal" so give that a google to find a compounding chemist that uses it.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    Thanks. Will do.
     
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    Britman

    Britman Member

    FYI

    Company based in Scotland will be filing new compounded testosterone cream with FDA late 2008/early 2009. It has about 30% market share in Sweden and doing well since release elsewhere in Europe.

    The cream will be marketed as Fortigel in the US and the company is called ProStrakan if you want to do your own research. It has to be refiled with the FDA since the testosterone levels in some patients were on the high side - this would infer people who can't raise their testosterone levels high enough with androgel or Testim would be better trying this when it's available in the US. The higher concentration also means less needs to be applied and it is sold in a convenient pump meter for easier dosage.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    Thanks for the info.

    BTW, I got in contact with one of the compounding pharmacies my Dr. recommended and they said the 10% cream has 100mg of testosterone per mL. This is the same amount as 10g of Androgel. The difference is going to be how well it is absorbed. They accept most insurance but said 90mL was $101 without insurance. Definately cheaper than Androgel.
     
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    brownb01

    brownb01 Junior Member


    I am doing the 100% which has 100mg of testosterone ml mL twice a day, and having a very difficult time getting my levels up. According to my doc, I have a hard time with absorption, and then I hypermetablize the testosterone. anyone have any suggestions on how to increase absorption, and slow down the metabolizing of the test?

    BTW...you're price is good. My compounding phar charges almost $300 for a month supply for me...however, I am doing 100mg twice a day.
     
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    cpeil2

    cpeil2 Junior Member

    That's at least twice what you should be paying. You might think about shopping around.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    My quote was from Medaus.
     
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    cpeil2

    cpeil2 Junior Member


    I was responding to brownb01's post - he's really getting fleeced.


    Your quote of $101.00 for a 90-day supply is a very good price. I use a 5% compounded transdermal. The pharmacy charges the same for the 5% as they do for 10%. A Two-month supply costs me $65.00, which is pretty reasonable.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    Sorry about that. I meant to respond to him. I call it a 90day supply. It is 90mL so at 1mL per day you would get 100mg(maybe 10mg absorbed) which is the same as 10g of androgel. I blow through test very fast and 5g of Androgel barely raised my TT at all so I don't know if 1mL would be enough for me. For a lot of people this would probably be 90days worth.
     
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    JanSz

    JanSz Junior Member

    If 5grams/day of Androgel did not raised your TT to about 500-600
    I do not think any other transdermal will help you,
    specially one that is more dense with T.

    .
    Change to T injection, look into adrenals and thyroid.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    I switched about 2-1/2 months ago. 5g of Androgel took me to 273. I have had my adrenals and thyroid checked and I am dosing up on Armour(low t3). My new doctor said he had no problem with the injections but just offered a stronger transdermal if I wanted to try and stop injections. I don't know if it is even worth trying with the way I eat test up.
     
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    JanSz

    JanSz Junior Member

    I think that you should change to injectable test.
    Right now the theory is that the testosterone is not penetrating your skin,
    most likely due to your thyroid problems.

    If you use T injections and do not see reasonable response by blood testing,
    check testosterone in urine (24 hr).
    If you get low test in the blood and high test in urine,
    then you will conclude that you are fast metabolizer.

    Hopefully that will not happen.

    If it does happen you should do thorough nutritional evaluation.
    At this point lok for lack of cobalt (hair, urine, serum, erythrocytes).
    There is a couple guys, fast metabolizers, who use cobalt supplementation, with some positive results.
    One guy, anyman, he lives in NY State, that makes nutritional tests dificult to have.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    That is what I meant to say. I have been on injections for the last 2-1/2 months and keeping pretty good levels. My new doctor was just offering the stronger transdermal if I wanted to try them again and stop injecting. I just don't think I can get enough through my skin.
     
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    brownb01

    brownb01 Junior Member

    yeah...I have checked around on price from city to city (within my state) and the price is about the same. I am doing 10% gel (100MG) twice a day...so double what most are doing.

    As far as a fast metabolizer, couldn't one do a urine screen and check for THF and 5a-THF?

    I very well could be mistaken...but I did a urine screen a few months ago, and my doc mentioned that my THF and 5a-THF was over the top, and that I am a "hyper" metabolizer of the testosterone. Which .....is really not good for me, when I am having such a hard time getting it through my skin.
     
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    BrianEE93

    BrianEE93 Junior Member

    So what is your total test getting up to with that dose?
     
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    techlogik

    techlogik Junior Member

    Why do you want to switch? How do you know you will absorb it?

    Compounded cream didn't do jack for me, switched to Test Cyp..all getting better now.

    Also, about the most any compounded pharmacy can get into 1ml is 50mg of Test. They have to grind test powder up and run it through a machine over and over to get it mixed into a base and other ingredients to have a chance of absorbing. My compounding pharmacist said anything above 50mg per 1ml is nearly impossible to mix and get more concentrated.

    androgel is putting a whopping 5000mgs on a time in huge quantities all over, it has an alcohol base and the manufacturer "fingers crossed" hopes some of the massive quantity gets in. Even at a 5% of 5000mgs, that is 250mgs a day, and still they hope you get 25mg a day actually absorded best case.

    With Test cyp inject IM, you know exactly what you are getting and putting into the body for absorption, pretty well known the accuracy..with TD, who knows what you are getting and how it will be absorbed.

    You may end up going backwards and doing harm if you don't absorb it well..waste 8 weeks of your life for what? Test cyp is usually less expensive, even the big pharma brands. They go for what? $100 for 20ml, that is either 10-20 weeks of 100-200mg IM inject weekly. Comes to like $30-50/month plus syringes, $12. Compounded creams you are paying for a pharmacists to grind this stuff up for an hour or more..you are paying for their time/labor, not the materials hardly.

    Good luck either way you go. But if IM is working..why not stay with it?
     
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2008
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    cpeil2

    cpeil2 Junior Member


    10% compounded transdermals are commonplace.
     

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