FutureMrO

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hey guys this is going to be my 3rd cycle Iv ran cycles when bulking but when I cut I tend to lose that look you can only have when on a cycle
I'll be doing a 12 week cut and thinking of running test e at 500mg a week.
Tren A at 50mg eod for 5 weeks and also have var and clen on hand. Idk if I should use the var or tren? Thinking of saving the clen for the last 3-4 weeks to get super lean I'm at 14% bf sitting at 93kg 5'9 I wanna get to 8%bf. Any tips on setting up the cycle ect would be much appreciated:)

Thanks guys
 

8654

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You could do something like:

Week 1-12: Test 250/wk
Week 1-12: Mast P 150/ EOD
Week 1- 8: Tren A 50-100/EOD
Week 8-12: Anavar 50-100/day
 
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Dr JIM

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This is just another PED forum misconception bc diet and training have a much greater impact on "the cut" rather than the type of AAS cycled.
 

Dr JIM

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Absolutely sir, diet and training in check first and foremost.

That being said Tren, is one of the few AAS proven to suppress glucocorticoid activity which may explain its synergistic effects when combined with other AAS, TT in particular.

Jim
 

DonQKong

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I'd drop the test to maintenance (150mg/w) or 250 to prevent bloat misconstruing your aesthetics. Var and Tren together --> supergood. Add mast, go to the moon.

Personally, I would add sibutramine to it. Its not very well known, but the only go-to point for me the last year or so. 50mg per day does the trick. Cheap as chips too.

5 kilos fat in 12 weeks, you'll kick ass. Are we seeing a log here?

DQ
 

FutureMrO

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Thanks for the feed back guys. I'm pretty good with my diet and cardio as well. I don't want to do to many things as it's only my 3rd cycle. What's the thinking behind mast-P? Would it be better then say var?
 

m314

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I'd run test and tren through the whole cycle and add var for the last 8 weeks. Test / tren / var with the right diet and exercise plan will get you much greater results than just dieting and exercising.

I'm not a fan of clen just because of how it feels. I greatly prefer EC with a low calorie diet. I'd run EC 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off through the cycle. Ephedrine makes a large calorie deficit seem effortless for me if I haven't built up a tolerance.
 

Dr JIM

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Absolutely sir, diet and training in check first and foremost.

That being said Tren, is one of the few AAS proven to suppress glucocorticoid activity which may explain its synergistic effects when combined with other AAS, TT in particular.

Jim

This citation is one of a few that proves the effects of AAS (in this case Trenbolone) are mediated thru more than just the androgen receptor

Third attempt to get this posted arg.

Yes it's a RAT STUDY but folk need to understand;

FIRST- Rodents are what the "A/A ratio" (Anabolic/Androgenic ratio) is based upon

SECOND - the methodology used in this study, PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) has been used to validate earlier SKM research involving Rats

THIRD - similar PCR assays conducted in humans correlate quite well with earlier and contemporary SKM rodent research.

JIM
 

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FutureMrO

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I'd run test and tren through the whole cycle and add var for the last 8 weeks. Test / tren / var with the right diet and exercise plan will get you much greater results than just dieting and exercising.

I'm not a fan of clen just because of how it feels. I greatly prefer EC with a low calorie diet. I'd run EC 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off through the cycle. Ephedrine makes a large calorie deficit seem effortless for me if I haven't built up a tolerance.


Fk. Tren for 12 weeks is such a long time. I'm only looking to run it for 5 weeks max didn't get any side effects from it but still.
 

m314

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Fk. Tren for 12 weeks is such a long time. I'm only looking to run it for 5 weeks max didn't get any side effects from it but still.

12 weeks isn't bad if you aren't getting side effects, especially at that low of a dose. I wouldn't drop the tren early unless I couldn't handle the insomnia or whatever.
 

8654

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This citation is one of a few that proves the effects of AAS (in this case Trenbolone) are mediated thru more than just the androgen receptor

Third attempt to get this posted arg.

Yes it's a RAT STUDY but folk need to understand;

FIRST- Rodents are what the "A/A ratio" (Anabolic/Androgenic ratio) is based upon

SECOND - the methodology used in this study, PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) has been used to validate earlier SKM research involving Rats

THIRD - similar PCR assays conducted in humans correlate quite well with earlier and contemporary SKM rodent research.

JIM


Doc,
Very interesting study. It is great to see this level of proof regarding trenbolone.
Thank you sir
 

8654

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Thanks for the feed back guys. I'm pretty good with my diet and cardio as well. I don't want to do to many things as it's only my 3rd cycle. What's the thinking behind mast-P? Would it be better then say var?

Masteron is a relatively mild and safe AAS. (When used responsibly). It gives you a great boost in strength, does not convert to estrogen, and to some extent can actually help block E2 from forming. It also has a good effect on libido. As far as building mass it does little. When your BF% starts dropping below 10% you will start reaping its benefits. All this being said we must emphasize again that training and diet must be on point. It will give you that super hard and grainy look and really help shed that last bit of stubborn fat.
When stacked with test and tren, proper training and diet, this is an effective and synergistic stack with the end goal of hardening and cutting.

Some good advice to is that if you can avoid using orals at anytime do it. Drop the Anavar if you want to keep it simple and never touch Clen.
 

Dr JIM

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really help shed that last bit of stubborn fat.

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Evidence AAS promote fat metabolism per se is questionable at best.

While there is some evidence AAS may induce certain lipolytic
enzymes much of it is based on studies in rodents AND rodents are capable of using
metabolic pathways not possessed by humans.

However improvements in LBM that often occurs bc of AAS also enhances metabolic demand, with some of those calories being derived from "stored fat".
Yet lipolysis is greatly diminished
in folk w even moderate fat diets!

Consequently study after study has revealed DIET and EXERCISE remain the most reliable means of reducing TOTAL BODY FAT!

And "Pro BB" are familiar with what I'm referring to and is one reason they
eat multiple "meals" several times a day. ----- bc ingested triglycerides that are not converted into glucose are STORED as FAT in relatively short order.
 
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Dr JIM

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Doc,
Very interesting study. It is great to see this level of proof regarding trenbolone.
Thank you sir


Am I surprised by the results nope bc most whom have run Tren know there's something different, or exclusive if one prefers, about this particular AAS.

To that end if others are aware of EVIDENCED BASED data similar to the article I posted above by all means please post it ----- @Michael Scally MD ??
 
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