Details on how to start your own testing lab and how much to invest

Discussion in 'Steroid Lab Testing' started by master.on, Dec 1, 2018.

  1. master.on

    master.on Member

    This is meant only for those in countries where gear is legal, and shouldn't be construed as an actual advice.

    First you need to determine how much customers can pay, as revenues determine what equipment you can buy.

    IMO most BBers and even sources won't pay the $300-$500 that top labs charge.
    So something around $100-$150 tops it.

    If all revenues are split:
    $50 for consumables (of the chromatography equipment)
    $50 to pay equipment installments, or to slowly recoup the investment if the equipment was paid in full
    $50 as take home profit

    If you get 100 tests per month (about 3 tests per day)
    and charge $150 per test
    that's $5000 a month for each one above

    If you offer an introductory price of just $100 to attract customers, for a limited time
    and only get 30 customers the first month
    you'd have $1000 for each one of the above
  2. master.on

    master.on Member

    With $5000 a month you can't afford a $250,000 GC-MS
    although you can buy a used one for about $70,000
    - you don't know if it needs expensive repairs
    - $50 for both HPLC and GC-MS consumables will be pushing it (albeit still possible)
    - it will take 5 long years for $5000 to recoup a $250,000 GC-MS + $50,000 HPLC, a hefty $300k investment

    OTOH you can get a nice, new entry level HPLC for about $25,000
    i.e. an entry level Shimadzu without an autosampler
    While you can get a used HPLC for $10,000 - $15,000 they may need expensive repairs.
    Being Japanese made, the entry level Shimadzu is like a Toyota truck, while it doesn't have all the bells and whistles (that may end up confusing you), it's sturdy and lasts a long time.

    So you can recoup the $25,000 HPLC machine investment in just 5 months.
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  3. master.on

    master.on Member

    If you'll invest $25k in the HPLC machine,
    Why not to invest some $5000 - $7000 in microbiological QC equipment, so you can offer your customers a better value?

    Steroids can help you get a profitable, fully working testing lab, only waiting for full accreditation for generic pharma.

    Both steroids customers and generic pharma will be glad you do microbiological testing too.
    Simec does that.

    For $5000 - $7000 you can buy the microbiological lab equiment, especially if some are bought used.
    You'll need:
    - The agar/broth growth media
    - a stirrer/hot plate
    - an autoclave
    - syringe filters
    - sterile Petri dishes
    - an incubator
    - a microscope
  4. master.on

    master.on Member

    You'll need reference standards, preferably certified ones like these:
    Testosterone enantate T0250000

    Or you can buy true analytical grade raws and make the reference standards yourself
    Testosterone enanthate T3006

    Since there are like 30 or 40 different steroids and esters,
    you may expect to spend some $4000 in reference standards
    plus some $1000 for a HPLC column and $500 for HPLC grade solvents.

    So far the investment is
    $25,000 for the HPLC equipment
    $5000 for the microbiology equipment
    $4000 for reference standards
    $1000 for a HPLC column
    $500 for HPLC grade solvents.
    Total $35,500
    So you can set a proper lab for the price of a decent, but not great, new car.

    You can spend even less if you buy a used HPLC machine.
  5. master.on

    master.on Member

    Since you can't afford a $250,000+ GC-MS with a mere $5000 a month,
    you'll need another way of identifying steroids
    you can do that by making sure their HPLC elution times (also called retention times) the time at which they come out of the separation column to the detector, are identical to those of the reference standards.

    First you'll need to search for a suitable testing method online
    Most methods I have seen use either C18 or C8 columns.

    Let's suppose you use this method
    column Ascentis C8, 15 cm x 4.6 mm I.D., 5 µm particles (581424-U)
    column temp. 35 °C
    mobile phase [A] water; acetonitrile; (50:50, A:B)
    flow rate 1.0 mL/min
    sample as indicated in mobile phase
    injection 10 µL
    detector UV, 254 nm
    HPLC Analysis of Steroids, Anabolic, on Ascentis® C8

    You'll need to first inject each reference standard steroid (into the HPLC machine) separately and take note of their retention times
    and order them in groups of 5, 7, 10 steroids or so, so their RTs are well apart from each other

    Then make multi-steroid reference standards with the above groups
    and run a multisteroid test to make sure that chart peaks are well defined and well apart from each other
    like this

    If not, reorder the steroid groups and rerun until peaks are well defined and apart from each other.

    This may take a whole week (even longer with manual injection HPLC equipment) , but hey you will make a living out of this, and get an already running, accredited lab in a couple years.
  6. master.on

    master.on Member

    Then, to test steroids
    inject all the steroid groups (each one in a separate run)
    at a given concentration each (i.e. like 50 ug/ml each, like those on the chart) and save the charts.
    You can do calibration runs at different concentrations, if you like.

    then inject the sample to test
    and check which reference standard group has an identical retention time.
    This identifies which steroid is it.

    Then make a calibration curve (should be a straight line), with the calibration data above
    You can use both peak height and Area Under Curve to make sure results ain't too different from each other.
    Then check the peak height and AUC in the sample run, and interpolate to translate that to an actual concentration.
    Now software helps you do the calibration curve, linearity check, and interpolation math.
  7. rpbb

    rpbb Member Supporter

    Enjoy talking to yourself dipshit?
  8. T-Bagger

    T-Bagger Member

    @master.on, I vote that you buy some of these machines and open up US testing. Laws be damned! You’re very passionate about this and have obviously thought long and hard about this. I say live your dream bro and help out your country and fellow gear heads.
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  9. mercury

    mercury Member

    Ok I got all the toys after I remortgage my house but I cannot figure out how you inject standard it comes in pure powder form.
  10. janoshik

    janoshik Member

    It requires quite some brute force.

    That's why you need to lift first, it's a prerequisite :D
  11. rpbb

    rpbb Member Supporter

    He's a dipshit living in his mom's basement, who is basically actually making the testing program here worse. Still want to know what his other handle is.
  12. master.on

    master.on Member

    Thank you
    but to do steroid testing in the States, a DEA license is needed to be able to buy the reference standards.
    Uncle Sam even harasses offshore labs if they accept samples from American customers, even if gear is legal in that country.

    $30,000-$35,000 ain't a lot of money
    anyone can well sell his second car, and get a loan for the rest.

    As for the DIY reference standards, you need to dilute the (top lab grade) raws first.

    Jano why don't you quietly disappear
    Get a real job for a couple year, save some money
    then get a loan for the rest
    then come back with real lab equipment.

    You know what?
    With that attitude problem you're too unemployable for any real job
    You'll have to resort to doing Gay4Pay to earn some money.

    I don't have any other handle.
    Only insecure people have alternate handles.
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  13. mercury

    mercury Member

    I always dilute in my beer, will it do ?
  14. mands

    mands Member Supporter

    Beer should only be used on the new addition lab max kits that signify purity!!!

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  15. master.on

    master.on Member

    Most certified reference standards are dissolved in acetonitrile
    Testosterone | Certified Solutions Standards | Certified Reference Materials

    and some in methanol or other solvents like this one in 1,2-dimethoxyethane.
    Methandienone solution M912
    Solvents should always be HPLC grade
    and always (or almost always) diluted to 1 mg/ml.

    Standards are never injected into the machine as is,
    they are always further diluted.
  16. Jayd

    Jayd Member

    Whoa wait. I thought it wasn’t gay if you were getting paid?
  17. Steve84

    Steve84 Member

    You both are wrong...

    You crush it up fine and snort it first... enjoy the ride

    We call it the sniff test...
    Kinda like first time you fuck a girl, that racing question do I go down on her or not. So you sneak a finger inside... then pretend your nose is itchy...
    Just a little testing the waters
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  18. master.on

    master.on Member

    Just a list to see how many reference standards are needed

    1 Drostanolone enanthate (@master.on favorite steroid)
    2 Drostanolone propionate
    3 Nandrolone decanoate
    4 Nandrolone phenylpropionate
    5 Nandrolone cypionate
    6 Nandrolone undecylenate
    7 Nandrolone laurate
    8 testosterone enanthate
    9 Testosterone cypionate
    10 Testosterone propionate
    11 Testosterone acetate
    12 Testosterone no ester
    13 Testosterone decanoate
    14 Testosterone undecanoate
    15 Testosterone isocaproate
    16 Testosterone phenylpropionate
    17 trenbolone acetate
    18 Trenbolone enanthate
    19 Trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
    20 Trenbolone no ester
    21 Boldenone undecylenate
    22 Boldenone cypionate
    23 Boldenone acetate
    24 Boldenone no ester
    25 Methenolone enanthate
    26 Methenolone acetate
    27 Trestolone acetate
    28 Trestolone enanthate
    29 Trestolone decanoate
    30 Dihydroboldenone / 1-Testosterone
    31 Clostebol acetate
    32 Stanozolol
    33 Methyltestosterone
    34 Oxymetholone
    35 Methandrostenolone / Methandienone
    36 Fluoxymesterone
    37 4-chlorodehydromethyltestosterone (Tbol)
    38 Mesterolone (Proviron)
    39 Methasterone (Sdrol)
    40 Oxandrolone

    So that's 40 steroids
    If every reference standard costs an average $100 that's $4000

    So far, the HPLC+microbiology lab is a $40,000 investment.
  19. master.on

    master.on Member

    If for every steroid tested, all samples are injected at 50 ug per ml, and 10 microliters ul are injected at once.

    1 mg = 20 times x 50 ug
    1 ml = 100 times x 10 ul
    so theoretically a 1 mg reference standard lasts for 2000 (20 x 100) tests.

    Supposing a 50% waste (i.e. some liquid adheres to micropipette tip walls)
    So, 1 mg lasts 1000 tests (once the method has been fully developed and verified)

    So the $4000 spent on reference standards last about 1000 tests
    That's $4 per test
    Not bad at all, since you're always running a calibration run before every sample = great accuracy.

    Not bad, since you can test steroids with a $40k investment.
    Compare that to a $209,000 investment.
    $200,000 an GC-MS/FID costs + $5000 for the microbiology lab + $4000 for the reference standards.
    Operating costs and repairs for GC are much higher too.
    Not for nothing labs charge $300-500 per test.
  20. RC58

    RC58 Junior Member

    Excellent read