dnp and women

[baby-mule]

was just wondering if any of you guys have ever heard about women taking dnp. my girlfriend was wanting to lose some lbs. fast. would this be advisible or not if so what the dosage. any help would be appreciated.

 

[Ghostlifter]

There hasnt been any "scientific" research on this for many a year. However DNP was banned in the early part of the 19th century because it increased the chances of women getting cateracts.

There are some who strongly thing DNP can mess up womens ovaries and the like.

In a nutshell - there isnt anything specific saying DNP will cause XYZ but its generally considered a nasty thing for women to take.

There are much better ways for her to shed the lbs.

 

[Gorillag]

My concern doesnt lie with the cataracts mate. Basically DNP is a pervasive piece of shit it gets into every cell in the body. Now normally thats not a big deal because the human body regenerates itself on a daily basis cells die etc. except for one very important cell in a women her eggs. So if she is planning on having kids then best advise would be to not do it as her eggs will have DNP in them and no one knows what that would do so dont let her do it.

 

[chris gordon]

My concern doesnt lie with the cataracts mate. Basically DNP is a pervasive piece of shit it gets into every cell in the body. Now normally thats not a big deal because the human body regenerates itself on a daily basis cells die etc. except for one very important cell in a women her eggs. So if she is planning on having kids then best advise would be to not do it as her eggs will have DNP in them and no one knows what that would do so dont let her do it.

exactly...i knew there was a reason i study womens reproductive organs...lol, when a baby girl is born her ovaries already contain all the eggs she will ever produce...our nuts make fresh sperm everyday if theyre functioning correctly....DNP isnt anything to play with , i read as much as i could find about it for over a year before ttrying it....put your girl on low carbs , and cardio

 

[Heretic]

I think that's probably the best argument against DNP, and certainly something to consider when weighing the positives versus the negatives for DNP use. I will say that I know of several women who have used DNP and have not reported any problems, but that's something that may not show up until later.
Regards,
-H-

 

[Instock]

DNP=WASTE. Man that shit is useless. I know of NO national level competitors that use this shit. We all know it is too hard on the body and very toxic. T3, Clen, ECA, Cardio, and a good diet are all you need.

 

[Heretic]

DNP=WASTE. Man that shit is useless. I know of NO national level competitors that use this shit. We all know it is too hard on the body and very toxic. T3, Clen, ECA, Cardio, and a good diet are all you need.

Thanks for your very scientific rebuttal jackass. Aren't you a known scammer, or were all those complaints about you unfounded?
ECA--has killed over 100 people, and is now banned by the gov't.
Clen--try taking 200mcg of clen without tapering up and tell me that it's "safer" than DNP
T-3--so catabolic that you have to use steroids while on it to prevent losing large amounts of muscle
Cardio--obviously the safest and most "natural", but also catabolic over long periods and not even close to being as effective for fat loss.
Regards,
-H-

 

[granby140]

put her on a lo dose clen. Should do her fine

 

[Instock]

Thanks for your very scientific rebuttal jackass. Aren't you a known scammer, or were all those complaints about you unfounded?
ECA--has killed over 100 people, and is now banned by the gov't.
Clen--try taking 200mcg of clen without tapering up and tell me that it's "safer" than DNP
T-3--so catabolic that you have to use steroids while on it to prevent losing large amounts of muscle
Cardio--obviously the safest and most "natural", but also catabolic over long periods and not even close to being as effective for fat loss.
Regards,
-H-

I don't need to get scientific, as no need for me to go into that much detail.
ECA - 100 people have died? Wow only millions use it everyday. Try having millions use DNP and see where the dead stand. Asprin kills over 8,000 people a yr. LOL
Clen - Who would do that?
T3 is anabolic when used correctly, DNP is horriable on burning muscle. DNP a main ingredient in TNT. Cool. Makes everything turn yellow. DNP has no feedback mechanism. DNP actually killed many workers in TNT manufacturing before they figured out why the workers were dying of overheating.
Cardio very effective when your diet is correct.

Lastly I have competed on the national level something you have not done I'm sure, and I can get you in contact with several others on that level if you would like me to back up my claims that outside of the completely lazy drugs do everything internet bodybuilding community no national level competitors I know of use it. I'm giving my suggestion to this guy, that I know of NO other bb drug more dangerous than DNP, and it makes my suggestion double as important since this is for a woman. DNP damages DNA plain and simple. Your cells as well of the cells of your future kid (if you are a woman) are at risk for genetic mutations when using DNP.

BTW Heritic I see of no reason why your response to my suggestion was directed as a personal attack towards me. My response to this guys quesion was obviously directed at everyone not you. Your response was clearly out of character. I can go all day on DNP and provide some sweet scientific info if need be to back up my claims. Once again DNP = SHIT. Comes with my highest opinion of Do Not Use.

 

[big rob]

I have also known a few women that have used DNP with limited success to be honest. One had a spontaneous period from it..... There used to be a girl on here named Brazilbabe that has done several cycles.... Try posting her name in the thread title and see if she is around..... If not, I may still be able to get in touch with her.....

 

[Heretic]

LOL--she had a spontaneous period from DNP?? I really don't see how that could be the cause, DNP isn't even a hormone. It has a very specific action in the body and it has nothing to do with hormone levels or cycles. I would look for another cause there. I'm guessing if she's running DNP she's probably also running AAS or has before, and that would seem like a more likely cause.
Like I said I've known several women that have used and continue to use DNP with no problems. Apparently women actually have a higher tolerance for it then men, I think it's due to their slower metabolism, or so the theory goes.
Instock, sorry if it sounds personal, but if you'd bother looking into this forum more you'd see a lengthy post titled "How to not fuck up DNP" that has all the scientific data you need, and I mean actual excerpts from scientifc journals with links and everything. What you're saying I've heard before, and if you dig a little deeper you'll find out it's hearsay. DNP wasn't killing TNT workers, it caused them to lose weight, which was how it was discovered as a weight loss chemical. There were only a few deaths associated with it, but the main reason it was banned was because it was OTC and a few women got cataracts from it supposedly. This was all back in the 30's so the value of this information is questionable.
You seem to base your idea that DNP is the most dangerous drug in BB on the idea that if lots of people used it lots of people would die. As far as actualy numbers, ECA, slin, diuretics, and prescription rec drugs like OC have killed WAY more BB's than DNP could ever hope to, and I would argue that diuretics are probably the most dangerous thing out there and are something that ALL competitive BB's use. There's a lot more people that use DNP than you know, take it from the #1 source for it. I've had plenty of customers that compete and use it, if they're not admitting it that doesn't make it so. You don't see Ronnie Coleman admitting he uses steroids and giving you the details of his cycles, so why would you expect your competition to give away their secrets?
Regards,
-H-

 

[Ghostlifter]

DNP=WASTE. Man that shit is useless. I know of NO national level competitors that use this shit. We all know it is too hard on the body and very toxic. T3, Clen, ECA, Cardio, and a good diet are all you need.

I am not going to rant to the same degree as heretic but saying DNP is useless is way off the mark.

Yes, you can lose all the fat you need to lose with T3, clen, eph and cardio but by the same argument all the supps are useless.

Cardio and diet are REALLY all you need. Likewise for gaining weights and diet are all you need to sort out.

The reason we go down the roads of the supplements are to increase the effects, make it happen faster etc. All have risks (try fucking up a T3 cycle..... screw your thyroid for life?)

We have a wide arsenal of chemicals to use learning more about them is the key. It a shame we will never see any scientific data about women taking DNP cos then we could get a definite answer as to how it can be good or bad.

 

[Instock]

LOL--she had a spontaneous period from DNP?? I really don't see how that could be the cause, DNP isn't even a hormone. It has a very specific action in the body and it has nothing to do with hormone levels or cycles. I would look for another cause there. I'm guessing if she's running DNP she's probably also running AAS or has before, and that would seem like a more likely cause.
Like I said I've known several women that have used and continue to use DNP with no problems. Apparently women actually have a higher tolerance for it then men, I think it's due to their slower metabolism, or so the theory goes.
Instock, sorry if it sounds personal, but if you'd bother looking into this forum more you'd see a lengthy post titled "How to not fuck up DNP" that has all the scientific data you need, and I mean actual excerpts from scientifc journals with links and everything. What you're saying I've heard before, and if you dig a little deeper you'll find out it's hearsay. DNP wasn't killing TNT workers, it caused them to lose weight, which was how it was discovered as a weight loss chemical. There were only a few deaths associated with it, but the main reason it was banned was because it was OTC and a few women got cataracts from it supposedly. This was all back in the 30's so the value of this information is questionable.
You seem to base your idea that DNP is the most dangerous drug in BB on the idea that if lots of people used it lots of people would die. As far as actualy numbers, ECA, slin, diuretics, and prescription rec drugs like OC have killed WAY more BB's than DNP could ever hope to, and I would argue that diuretics are probably the most dangerous thing out there and are something that ALL competitive BB's use. There's a lot more people that use DNP than you know, take it from the #1 source for it. I've had plenty of customers that compete and use it, if they're not admitting it that doesn't make it so. You don't see Ronnie Coleman admitting he uses steroids and giving you the details of his cycles, so why would you expect your competition to give away their secrets?
Regards,
-H-

I will agree that diretics are probably as equal in danger as DNP for instant death, but you must realize that if you scaled the users up of DNP to match Ephedrine or Asprine, I am sure the death toll would have it banned in 5 min. As with all drugs it's mostly user error, but does that really matter when you have tons of people dying. If we looked at user error, ephedrine wouldnt' be banned. My problem with DNP is not it's instant death potential, but instead it's long term genetic concequinces. I personally wouldn't let my GF or Wife use it. That is me. I will review the link you said, and come back for more. Later.

 

[kemo]

Wow

Wow....it is amazing how much BS I see on this board about DNP from supposed "experts".

DNP is by far the safest of the T-3/clen/eca methods. Problem is, people listen to idiots on here that have no business talking. When that happens, you end up in problems. DNP kills by one method alone, dehydration at the cellular level. Cut through all the other myth, and it comes down to this....keep the dose low enough and your water intake high enough, and it is totally safe.

I like the post......"if DNP were to be used by the masses the death rate would get it banned"......funny, I thought it already was banned for human consumption. That statement alone shows a total lack of research.

"long term consequences".....another interesting observation....there is only about 20 scientific studies conducted that shows DNP is safe at moderate doses over long periods of time. Let me see any research you have about T-3, Clen, ECA, etc. that shows it doesn't have a significant effect on the hormonal and CNS systems.

"Scientific Evidence".......I would love to talk about that one. If need be I can direct you to about 20 different SCIENTIFIC studies conducted under proper control conditions using proper technique that shows DNP is actually anti-carcinogenic, has major health benefits in use with the clinically obese, and has very good acceptance in patients with diabetes.

Granted, DNP was pulled from the shelf. Why? Due to some mis-directed studies that showed a propensity of glaucoma in female patients who had long term use of DNP. Recent evidence has suggested this might be a myth as well, but I will give you this one just because we will error on the side of documented scientific research.

Now......with my ranting out of the way....back to the original question. Can a female use DNP? Yes, with a certain qualification. If you have any ability to get pregnant, I would not use it. DNP can cross the embryonic boundary and also cross into the eggs still in the ovary. Although this has not been documented to cause birth defects, why even chance it? It just isn't worth the question. However, if you are past child bearing age, or have undergone sterilization (female), then you should be fine to utilize DNP as a weight loss agent. There is NO WAY it can cause spontaneous menstration or any other hormone system related side effects. A female and a male are the same in relation to the action DNP utilizes. However, due to the high estrogen levels in females, it will be more difficult for weight to be lost.

I really hope you all don't take this as a personal attack. I just get extremely tired of people jumping on the DNP is dangerous band wagon when they haven't taken the time to read the SCIENCE instead of the HYPE. I don't sell, manufacture, or have anything to gain from promoting DNP, other than to get the truth out there.

Hope this helps,

Kemo