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  1. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

  2. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    A Bin Laden Hunter on Four Legs

    Published: May 4, 2011

    The identities of all 80 members of the American commando team who thundered into Abbottabad, Pakistan, and killed Osama bin Laden are the subject of intense speculation, but perhaps none more so than the only member with four legs.

    Little is known about what may be the nation’s most courageous dog. Even its breed is the subject of great interest, although it was most likely a German shepherd or a Belgian Malinois, military sources say. But its use in the raid reflects the military’s growing dependence on dogs in wars in which improvised explosive devices have caused two-thirds of all casualties. Dogs have proved far better than people or machines at quickly finding bombs.

    Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of United States forces in Afghanistan, said last year that the military needed more dogs. “The capability they bring to the fight cannot be replicated by man or machine,” he said.

    Maj. William Roberts, commander of the Defense Department’s Military Working Dog Center at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas, said the dog on the raid could have checked the compound for explosives and even sniffed door handles to see if they were booby-trapped.

    And given that Saddam Hussein was found hiding in a narrow, dark hole beneath a mud shack in Iraq, the Seal team might have brought the dog in case Bin Laden had built a secret room into his compound.

    “Dogs are very good at detecting people inside of a building,” Major Roberts said.

    Another use may have been to catch anyone escaping the compound in the first moments of the raid. A shepherd or a Malinois runs twice as fast as a human.

    Tech Sgt. Kelly A. Mylott, the kennel master at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia, called dogs ideal for getting someone who is running away without having to shoot them. “When the dogs go after a suspect, they’re trained to bite and hold them,” Sergeant Mylott said.

    Some dogs are big enough that, when they leap on a suspect, the person tends to drop to the ground, Sergeant Mylott said. Others bite arms or legs. “Different dogs do different things,” she said. “But whatever they do, it’s very difficult for that person to go any further.”

    Finally, dogs can be used to pacify an unruly group of people — particularly in the Middle East. “There is a cultural aversion to dogs in some of these countries, where few of them are used as pets,” Major Roberts said. “Dogs can be very intimidating in that situation.”

    Sergeant Mylott said that dogs got people’s attention in ways that weapons sometimes did not. “Dogs can be an amazing psychological deterrent,” she said.

    There are 600 dogs serving in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that number is expected to grow substantially over the next year, Ensign Brynn Olson of the United States Central Command said. Particularly popular with the troops are the growing number of Labrador retrievers who wander off-leash 100 yards or more in front of patrols to ensure the safety of the route. A Silver Star, one of the Navy’s highest awards, was awarded posthumously in 2009 to a dog named Remco after he charged an insurgent’s hide-out in Afghanistan.

    The training of dogs in Navy Seal teams and other Special Operations units is shrouded in secrecy. Maj. Wes Ticer, a spokesman for United States Special Operations Command, said the dogs’ primary functions “are finding explosives and conducting searches and patrols.”

    “Dogs are relied upon,” he continued, “to provide early warning for potential hazards, many times, saving the lives of the Special Operations Forces with whom they operate.”

    Last year, the Seals bought four waterproof tactical vests for their dogs that featured infrared and night-vision cameras so that handlers — holding a three-inch monitor from as far as 1,000 yards away — could immediately see what the dogs were seeing. The vests, which come in coyote tan and camouflage, let handlers communicate with the dogs with a speaker, and the four together cost more than $86,000. Navy Seal teams have trained to parachute from great heights and deploy out of helicopters with dogs.

    The military uses a variety of breeds, but by far the most common are the German shepherd and the Belgian Malinois, which “have the best overall combination of keen sense of smell, endurance, speed, strength, courage, intelligence and adaptability to almost any climatic condition,” according to a fact sheet from the military working dog unit.

    Suzanne Belger, president of the American Belgian Malinois Club, said she was hoping the dog was one of her breed “and that it did its job and came home safe.” But Laura Gilbert, corresponding secretary for the German Shepherd Dog Club of America, said she was sure the dog was her breed “because we’re the best!”
  3. GirlyMan

    GirlyMan Member

    K-9 Wall of Honor

    You might want to check if your jurisdiction offers hobby permits. That's how my wife managed to legally sneak some 17 rescue beagles into my house right under my nose. And yeah, they're smart, but apparently not smart enough to learn how to shit in the toilet.
  4. ergomaniac

    ergomaniac Member

    interesting subject. dogs have differnent senses. most notably a keen sense of smell. and i think snakes sense heat. as opposed to really seeing. so really, what is real.
    but there are different breeds of dog. descendents of wolf, i beleive. of wolf and man. symbiosis.
    and then there are the mutts. dogs like chiuauas, pugs, poodles. some dogs are breed for certain characteristics. some it seems for entertainment. weird accseseries. put in your purse. with a cute sweater. and accommodated laviously. out in the wild theyre called food. survival of the fittest. some dogs are sructurally "incorrect". they have inborn problems. and health concerns. and im not talking eugenics. but there is a natural law. or am i going to far. hope not. im far from "perfect."
    training also plays a part. a dog on a such a high stakes mission has to be tought well. it has to be smart. in whatever ways a dog can. which could be a lot. but its limited. it cant hold a weapon. other than the ones it already has. so as a team, they only complement.
    as i walk down the street sometimes, i think. am i in a zoo. or the jungle. somewhere. because every other house has a dog that barks. at what. what are you barking at.
    bark, bark, bark, bow, wow, wow. ruff, ruff. ruff. shut the fuck up! im trying to get some beauty sleep. and on top of all the barking i hear the mission impossible theme.
    some dogs dont even bark. they squeal. yelp, yelp, yelp. barf, barf, barf. and turn around and make a quick move, and they run away, fast as they can. which aint fast. all barf and no bite.
    what am i saying. not sure. but everyone is of a differnt breed i guess. good, bad or indiferent. lets strive for the "best". cause some people are just born that way.
  5. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    [ame=]YouTube - Beagle ???????? ??? #31[/ame]
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  6. GirlyMan

    GirlyMan Member

    Smart enough to learn how to catch a ball but still not smart enough to learn how to shit in the toilet? I'm not buying it. My kids learned how to shit in the toilet long before they learned how to catch a ball. I'm starting to think they just don't want to shit in the toilet.
  7. smartandy

    smartandy Junior Member

    Great post! This video is really cool man.
  8. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

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  9. smartandy

    smartandy Junior Member

    These dogs are such a fun to watch man! I can see n-number of such videos featuring dogs. Just love them...! Thanks for sharing. :)
  10. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

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  11. Fulano

    Fulano Member

    I own a very special German Shepherd. Her 60 most recent ancestors are all SchIII. She was bred as a family protection dog. I took her home at 6 1/2 weeks of age and raised and trained her myself. For the first 16 weeks I literally hand fed her every bite of food that she ate as part of her training. I pushed every button and manipulated every instinct to mould her into the dog I wanted. I also returned with her to the breeder/trainer frequently for the first 3 years so she and I could both be trained. And I can say from experience that a well-bred and well-trained dog is an amazing thing.
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  12. GirlyMan

    GirlyMan Member

    And still they cannot figure out the simple act of just shitting in the toilet instead of on the floor. :confused:
  13. Fulano

    Fulano Member

    She can't use the toilette, but she can beat me two out of three in chess.

    Actually, she has a very strong hygiene instinct. She will only go on a small spot in our back yard. Nowhere else. When she needs to be let out, she comes and finds us and makes a little muffled barking noise, like she's trying to talk. She only does this when she needs to be let out, and we know exactly what it means.

    She never goes on the floor. Ever. The very first day we got her, when she wasn't yet 7 weeks old, she whined and cried and ran around looking for a way out rather than going on the floor. She required zero house training.

    But that was bred into her. The people who bred this particular line of German Shepherd were meticulous in their breeding standards, and hygiene instinct was one of the things they focused on. When we went and interviewed with them to see if we could purchase one of their dogs, we observed their kennels, and in an enclosure big enough to accommodate a horse, there was only poop in one small spot in one corner. All of these tiny puppies instinctively knew where to go, and it was as far from their living space as possible.
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  14. Excallibro

    Excallibro Member

    They say the Border Collie is the smartest dog. Which makes me wonder why they aren't used more in the military or in law enforcement.

    The answer is simple. They don't like hurting people, even when trained to do so.
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  15. GirlyMan

    GirlyMan Member

  16. bigpapabuff

    bigpapabuff Member

    lol, love the video
  17. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    [ame=]HowtopickoutaDog.wmv - YouTube[/ame]
  18. NamNet

    NamNet Junior Member

    Very nice article! I am not a dog person, per se, but in general I like dogs and other animals. I've always have a ginny pig though...i love those little piggies. lol
  19. tariq456

    tariq456 Banned

    Dog intelligence is the ability of a dog to learn, think, and solve problems. Dog trainers, owners, and researchers have as much difficulty agreeing on a method for testing canine intelligence as they do for human intelligence. One specific difficulty is confusing a breed's genetic characteristics and a dog's obedience training with intelligence.
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  20. tariq456

    tariq456 Banned

    Video is great that you share with us . fantastic .:tiphat