First Cycle - 300 mg of test a week??

Discussion in 'Steroid Forum' started by punkguitarist, Apr 10, 2010.

  1. #1
    punkguitarist

    punkguitarist Junior Member

    I was thinking of doing my first cycle in a couple months. I am currently on TRT 125 mg a week.

    I was thinking of bumping my test dose up to 300 mg a week for 10-12 weeks. I know my gains won't be as good as if I did 500 mg a week, but I'd like to start out with something small for my first cycle just to see how my body reacts.
    Does this seem like an okay idea or am I just wasting my time with such a small dose?

    Because I am on TRT I won't need any pct but I will have some nolva on hand in case I start to have any gyno issues.

    Also would it be a good idea to run armidex throughout the entire cycle, or only if I start to have problems?

    Thanks
     
  2. #2
    ironmanlives79

    ironmanlives79 Junior Member

    i may be getting a bit presumtious since im only on my first real cycle(but i have months and months of homework on aas complete)...but i would say 500mg min. and youre gtg... i have no sides(although i am on adex 1every 5 days and hcg 500ug every 5 days). you should never run a cycle without hcg..and you have to keep nolv. on hand to combat gyno if it happens...so since you are going to all the trouble to use these agents you may as well bump it up to 500 to get all you can.
     
  3. #3
    punkguitarist

    punkguitarist Junior Member

    thanks for the advice. I wont need any hcg since I'm on TRT and my natural production is already shut down.

    Does anyone else have any advice about doing 300 mg test dose for you first cycle?
     
  4. #4
    newbie23

    newbie23 Active Member

    there is a good study about the effects of 300 vs 600-the gains are better and the sides are the same. i personally would never cycle lower than 500mg

    this was posted at setroidology by StoncoldNTO



    The following is part of a thread by heavyiron over at MD,

    The following text outlines the benefits and risks of testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
    600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and igf-1.
    The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
    The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

    Total Testosterone
    300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
    600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

    IGF-1
    300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
    600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

    Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

    Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
    300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
    600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
    Fat Mass by underwater weighing
    300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
    600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
    Thigh Muscle Volume
    300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
    600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
    Quadriceps Muscle Volume
    300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
    600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
    Leg Press Strength
    300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
    600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
    Leg Power
    300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
    600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
    Hemoglobin
    300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
    600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
    Plasma HDL Cholesterol
    300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
    600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
    Acne
    300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
    600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

    There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

    Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. Testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.


    If a first time user wanted to use 600 mg of cypionate or enanthate per week he would inject 300 mg on Tuesday and another 300 mg on Saturday each week for 10 weeks. When injecting long heavy esters like cypionate with this frequency I tend to have less acne then 1 injection per week.
    There are a number of esters which provide varying release times. Acetate or propionate esters extend the release time of testosterone a couple of days. In contrast, a deconate ester prolongs the release of testosterone about 3 weeks. Testosterone enanthate and cypionate are almost identical esters. The use of an ester allows for a less frequent injection schedule than using a water based testosterone like suspension which has no ester at all and is rapidly in and out of your system after injection. The published release times are not exact and are many times based on a single injection not many multiple injections which can delay the release of the hormone. Other factors affect release times of esters such as scar tissue and the muscle group injected. Only a blood test can confirm when the active hormone has cleared your system.
    Esters not only effect release times but also the potency of the Testosterone as esters make up part of the steroid weight. This must be taken into account when calculating dosages. The longer the release time the less free hormone. For example propionate is about 15% more potent mg. for mg. then enanthate so 500mg of propionate would equal about 575 mg. of enanthate.
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  5. #5
    punkguitarist

    punkguitarist Junior Member

    wow thats any interesting study. I would have thought that testosterone levels would be higher than 2,370 after 20 weeks of 600 mg of test a week.

    I'll stick to 500 mg a week for my first cycle.

    Thanks for the help
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2010

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