Genova Diagnostics

Discussion in 'Men's Health Forum' started by HeadDoc, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. #1

    HeadDoc Psychologist; Super Moderator

    Janz or Hans, would you please describe in simple terms what value these labs have for individual users and what services the labs offer. For instance, does the lab work directly with clients or must we go thru one of their providers? Many on this forum know about and use the labs that Dr. John, for instance, would use for hormonal assessment. Genova labs or combination of assays drill down much further. What are the costs? Feel free to bring in reps from the company as discussants. Actually, if you know them, invite them. Genova labs keep coming up and I'd just like to bring the topics or information front and center for the forum. There are perhaps other labs doing the same and I don't want to appear that I am favoring anyone. So this is not a personal endorsement. You guys however are free to endorse.
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2008
  2. #2

    JanSz Junior Member

    There is many tests that one can have at Genova Diagnostics.
    Some/many of them are usefull to diagnose seriuos health problems.

    One do not have to be otwardly sick to benefit from tests.
    Assuming that person is a healthy athlete that is looking for an edge,
    or just any average person wondering why he pops pills with only general justification.
    NutrEval test will tell you exactly what you need,
    results will give a list with names and daily dose of personalized supplements.
    At first test ONE was developed in an effort to help olympic athletes.
    That test is expanded in scope and called NutrEval.
    This test (IIRC) is avilable to general public for less than two years.

    Diagnostic Laboratory Testing for Wellness & Preventive Medicine - Genova Diagnostics

    DESCRIPTION: NutrEval is a comprehensive nutritional evaluation to identify specific imbalances of vitamins, nutrients, and essential co-factors. This profile also provides assessment of gastrointestinal dysfunction and detoxification impairment.
    The NutrEval profile is a comprehensive nutritional evaluation that helps overcome chronic disease
    and promote optimal health and wellness.

    This unique profile:
    Evaluates overall nutritional status of your patient
    Assesses the functional need for vitamins and minerals
    Provides insight into disease risk
    Includes an innovative Interpretation at a Glance
    - Concise-Easy Interpretation
    - Provides clear, personalized recommendations for supplementation
    Amino acids

    The NutrEval Profile consists of:
    MetabolicAnalysis measuring 39 key organic acids to evaluate gastrointestinal function,
    cellular energy production, neurotransmitter processing, and functional need for vitamins,
    minerals, and co-factors.

    AminoAcid analysis measuring 38 amino acids to evaluate dietary protein adequacy,
    digestion, absorption, amino acid transport, metabolic impairments, and nutritional deficits;
    including essential vitamins, minerals, and amino acids.

    Essential & Metabolic Fatty Acid assessment measures the levels of fatty acids in red
    blood cell membranes that affect cellular communication and the inflammatory cascade.

    Elemental Analysis in red blood cells is a reliable means to identify short-term toxic
    metal exposure and to evaluate intracellular nutrient mineral status.

    Oxidative Stress Analysis is a sensitive tool to evaluate the bodys
    anti-oxidant reserves, the presence of oxidative injury, and CoQ10.

    Metabolic Analysis

    Creatinine and 39 organic acids
    ratioed to creatinine including
    8 gastrointestinal metabolites
    13 cellular energy metabolites
    4 neurotransmitter metabolites
    14 amino acid metabolites

    Amino Acids Analysis
    38 analytes for urine or plasma
    Nutritionally essential and
    semi-essential amino acids
    Dietary peptide-related markers
    Non-essential protein amino acids
    Intermediary metabolites and
    diagnostic markers

    Omega-6, omega-3, and omega-9
    polyunsaturated fatty acids
    Saturated fatty acids
    Monounsaturated fatty acids
    Metabolic pathways
    Fatty acid ratios and percent
    distribution within families

    Elemental Analysis
    - 6 Toxic Elements:
    antimony lead
    arsenic mercury
    cadmium tin
    - 8 Nutritional Elements:
    chromium potassium
    copper selenium
    magnesium vanadium
    manganese zinc

    Oxidative Stress
    lipid peroxides
    reduced glutathione,

    Specimen Requirement:
    Urine and blood specimens required.
    Refer to patient kit instructions for

    Before Taking this Test:
     Discontinue non-essential
    medications (4 days before test)
     Refer to clinician instructions about
    what other medications
    and supplements to avoid (4 days
    before test)
     Patients must fast overnight prior to
    blood draw
     Arrange shipping for Monday-
     See instructions inside test kit for
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2008
  3. #3

    HeadDoc Psychologist; Super Moderator

    what are the costs and do you need a script?
  4. #4

    JanSz Junior Member

    Atm I do not know the cost of NutrEval test.
    I should know about cost soon.
    Three weeks ago my doc send my samples for NutrEval testing.
    It takes over three weeks to get results, probably longer to get bill.
    Yes, one need to see a doc or other health practitioner who have acount with Genova Diagnostics.
    To find them, e-mail a question with your zip code,
    they will reply with a list of practitioners in the area.

    Genova Diagnostics have international presence.
    See their web site for contacts.

    For guys in UK, no script required, just valid credit card.
  5. #5

    HeadDoc Psychologist; Super Moderator

    does the D3 come with the Nutra Eval?
  6. #6

    anyman Junior Member

    Do we have any independent proof that their findings are correct AND useful?

    Assuming that the findings are accurate--which is itself something I'd like to see independent proof of-- is there any proof that "correcting" listed deficiencies is beneficial?

    In other words, how do we know that what Genova et al is saying is truly useful and it's recommendations once followed make a real and substantive difference? This is what has always puzzle me--how leading Drs like Shippen & Crisler, etc say little or nothing about this. Hmmm.....
  7. #7

    cpeil2 Junior Member

    Re: Do we have any independent proof that their findings are correct AND useful?

    Even HAN, who used to be such a Genova booster, doesn't seem nearly as enthusiastic.
  8. #8

    JanSz Junior Member

    Yes and no.

    Vit D testing is not a part of NutrEval,
    it is offered as an additional option while ordering NutrEval.

    I suspect that this and other of their tests are undergoing constant revisions and (hopefully) improvements.

    There was short presentaion on Fox channel about 2 monts ago.
    From the discussion I concluded that they plan to combine NutrEval with some of their genomic tests.

    NutrEval is rather new test.
    Not long ago they changed urine sample requirements.
    It used to be 24hr urine,
    now it is first morning void(FMV).
  9. #9

    JanSz Junior Member

    Re: Do we have any independent proof that their findings are correct AND useful?

    I am surprised that you say that?
    My impression was that HAN prefer Spectracell.

    I do not have as good grasp of nutritional interactions as HAN have.
    Mainly for that reason I prefer Genova Diagnostics.
    They explain everything at least the basic levels, there is no need for (basic) interpretations.
    HAN always takes the subject one or couple levels higher.

    The other reason I like Genova is because of their international presence.
    Most of the guys are outside of USA.
    Our beautiful tests, say at Quest Diagnostics are of little help for those people.

    Still another reason, until their recent change to their web site, tons of research materials was available from their web site. Unfortunate they closed that part.

    Spectracel have hardly any educational material posted.
    Quest at least posted their EndoManual.
  10. #10

    HeadDoc Psychologist; Super Moderator

    this may seem like the tail waging the dog, but my own interest is sparked by what seems to be several recent reports on the need to maintain D3 levels for cancer and other things. As for the worth of the labs, I assume that the values obtained are valid for the time frame they are taken. Genova lists the lab certifications that they have attained. And they list the credentials of the professionals oversee the service. Most of us do not rotate our foods radically over time. So I assume that the value of what is measured is consistent with what we eat, what we produce, and how we typically metabolize. If I recall, Janz and Hans have both posted how their supplementation or medicaton changes have been reflected in changes in lab values.
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2008
  11. #11

    JanSz Junior Member

    I have my Genova Diagnostic test posted here:
    JanSz-Metabolic Analysis and Cellular Energy

    I have some more that could be posted
    Complete Thyroid Assesment
    Hair analysis

    my NutrEval
    hopefully will be available next week.

    But the problem is that the reports are now a PDF files.
    They contain my last name that I wish to edit out.

    Any suggestions for free program that I could download to do this minimal editing?
  12. #12

    HeadDoc Psychologist; Super Moderator

    can it be scanned and pasted? Like uploading a jpeg.

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