HCG A MUST....?

Discussion in 'Steroid Post Cycle Therapy and ASIH Treatment' started by MiaRage22, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. MiaRage22

    MiaRage22 Member

    What are your thoughts? I've never used it, do you guys believe it'll make pct easier or do most feel you can recover with solely clomid and nolva? Anddddddd GO.. lol
     
  2. T-Bagger

    T-Bagger Member

    hcg alone for the win.
     
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  3. Evom1

    Evom1 Member

    hcg is important
     
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  4. MiaRage22

    MiaRage22 Member

    Do you feel you won't recover if you don't add that in or keep gains made better?
     
  5. Havah

    Havah Member

    hcg is for fertility, no "gains" or "feelsgood" effects
     
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  6. Jayd

    Jayd Member

    Maybe for keeping your balls from turning into raisins!
     
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  7. T-Bagger

    T-Bagger Member

    HCG alone can restart natural test production.
     
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  8. Only if your testicles are still operational.
     
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  9. T-Bagger

    T-Bagger Member

    Thank God mine are then!
     
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  10. Honestly I think if you were to only use one drug that clomifene would be superior for recovery from what I’ve read. Of course I’ve never done a pct, might try one if I decide to come off trt to see if my body can take over, so it’s all conjecture
     
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  11. T-Bagger

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    You’re probably right, but I’ve heard PCT makes you feel like total ass.
     
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  12. Yea I’d think if you add in being suppressed for 1.5 years and pre trt levels were between 130-240 it’ll prob add up to feeling a bit low for a long while just to see if recovery at a higher T level is possible. Tbh idk if I wanna go thru with it lol. Might see if I could do hcg only or clomid or maybe just continue trt plus self prescribed hCG.
     
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  13. T-Bagger

    T-Bagger Member

    Do you think a full pct could actually help someone recover to higher levels than they were at? Is that even possible?
     
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  14. T-Bagger

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    My recovery levels from hcg alone was 359. That’s not horrible, given I was 45 years old at the time, though it was still on the low side. I wonder if Scally’s intense pct or whatever it’s called could make me rebound higher.
     
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  15. Well the only reason I think there is a possibility of recovering to a higher level of T is because I was subs, I was on benzos and possibly fentanyl on the 1st test, I was obese for half of the tests I took, I didn’t work out and untreated apnea. I’m wondering now that those things have been corrected whether my body would be able to recover at a higher level, and I’m 32 so I figure it may be worth a shot. I was kinda discouraged somewhat when I read a study that said subs don’t affect hormones to the extent of other opioids but then that was one study over 15+ years ago, I’m sure it cause suppression when used for a long time. I’m sure you could try a power pct to see if it helps long term, I’ve heard endo’s rx’ing clomid as a kinda pct, I know they use it as mono-therapy too.

    359 isn’t all that high but it’s definitely not low either (if you were using the typical 500iu/wk you coulda bumped it up), and if you feel good at that level then it’s a pretty good level. Dudes are too obsessed with numbers, tbh I felt pretty damn good at 240, only at 130 did I have issues.
     
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  16. T-Bagger

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    I don’t recall how much I was running, but for some reason I want to say it was 800 or so iu/week. My cycle before last I ran 1000 iu starting at my 3rd week away from need of cycle until 2 weeks after. Never got blood work on that “PCT” though I wish I had.
     
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  17. Ah ok you prob could of done a bit more, might have made a difference. I’ve heard some people taking a couple thousand iu’s per week for mono-therapy.
     
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  18. T-Bagger

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    I’m going to do more this next pct after this cycle and see what it lands me. Not sure how much I should do and don’t want my e2 to blow up probably just going to do 1000 and see.
     
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  19. ironwill1951

    ironwill1951 Member

    the question the op asked is if hcg is a must.
    although useful for all the reasons above it is certainly not a must.
     
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  20. Worf

    Worf Member

    bs
    yes but it doesnt last, maybe 6 months
    and a gallon of adex to keep estro in check. those doses are more in line with fertility protocols and fertility docs dont give a crap if a patient starts acting like a bitch or gets gyno
     
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