HCG / fertility

Discussion in 'Steroid Post Cycle Therapy and ASIH Treatment' started by mindovermatter2, Jan 25, 2020.

  1. mindovermatter2

    mindovermatter2 Junior Member

    Hello.
    I have a question regarding hcg on blood work does it supress lh? Or will it show elevated?
    Previously was blast/crisis for 5 years .

    I’ve been on doctors fertility protocol and it’s been 90 days using the below drugs . (no AAS in 90-100 days)

    HCG 2500iu 3x week
    clomid 50mg every other day
    I added aromasin 12.5mg 2x week
    I recently added HMG 75 iu 2x week

    Sperm count has gone up to around 25million started at 15million . But my labs were still showing suppression, is it from the hcg?

    Test 17nmol. Range in Canada is 8-28
    fsh 0.3
    Lh 0.1
     
  2. mindovermatter2

    mindovermatter2 Junior Member

    My goal is just to get the lady pregnant then back on trt
     
  3. Anything that raises testosterone or estradiol will suppress LH/FSH. Even your own natural T/E will suppress LH/FSH but not to a high degree. So yes hcg can suppress LH/FSH if you have a response in T/E production. Often clomid will still work with hCG, but sometimes it doesn’t which is when hmg is used instead. Either way you already had an improvement in the first growth cycle of sperm so I wouldn’t be too concerned, especially working with a dr. Usually they start with either hCG or clomid by itself before they mix but your dr is going in strong.
     
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  4. TRT@40

    TRT@40 Member

    Agree with what the terminator said above.
    I have been through something similar myself fella brother.
    I question clomid rx when using hcg and menopur/hmg.
    25000 ius 3x a week seems too much. I was prescribed 1000ius of hcg 3x a week with 75iu hmg 3x a week.

    What was estrogen on 2500iusx3 of hcg?
    Also look at sperm motility and morphology in addition to count when aiming fertility
     
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  5. Yeah it’s pointless to take clomid and hmg/fsh as the latter is providing you with ready to go fsh or FSH/LH so clomid is not really needed. Besides past a certain point more FSH won’t make a difference.
     
  6. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Did your wife is pregnant?
    I have similary situation...
     
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  7. mindovermatter2

    mindovermatter2 Junior Member

    Not yet
     
  8. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    How looks protocol now
     
  9. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    You still continue
    hcg 2500iu 3x week
    clomid 50mg every other day
    I added aromasin 12.5mg 2x week
    I recently added HMG 75 iu 2x week

    How long more...
     
  10. mindovermatter2

    mindovermatter2 Junior Member

    Been on this for around 3 months. I’m staying on this untill the women gets pregnant
     
  11. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Did you talk with doctor about lh /fsh?
    Why is 0.1
     
  12. mindovermatter2

    mindovermatter2 Junior Member

    hcg will increase estrogen and testosterone, while dropping LH and FSH. Remember, HCG mimics LH in the body, which signals the pituitary glands to stop producing LH - after all, why would your body produce LH when it thinks you have too much already? Once you stop using HCG, testosterone and estrogen will drop, and LH and FSH will slowly rise back up.
    Source - evolutionary.org/blood-work-for-steroid-users
     
  13. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I got my blood today
    10 week after pct
    Test 298
    Free test 44
    Lh 3.7
    Fsh 4.4


    Qestion i want jump on similary protocole what you do...

    After i start my lh / fsh will by shutdown to 0.1
     
  14. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

  15. TRT@40

    TRT@40 Member

    Given your LH and FSH are just below the middle of the normal range and your test is low end of normal range, I would recommend first getting a sperm analysis test that includes motility, morphology and count of course to establish a base line. if analysis is not good then you would be fine with starting 1000ius of hcg EOD for 90 days. Sperm test and LH/FSH/testosterone/estrogen test again after 90 days on HCG to decide if HMG is needed. Keep an eye on estrogen when on high dose of HCG.
    I would also recommend getting lady's reproductive system checked thoroughly for things like fibroids, cysts and endometriosis...

    How long you have been off of AAS? What was your last cycle like in dose, compounds and duration?
     
  16. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    My situation was very complicated..

    I tag you in thread ...
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2020
  17. Well that’s improved a bit from the last test if I remember correctly. What are your doses of hcg, clomid and/or hmg right now? You could have had improvement or will have improvement in sperm count and quality if it hasn’t been 3 months even with lower T. All that matters is ITT, which is the level of T inside the balls, is at a good level.
     
  18. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Hi ...can we back to my thread dont want do mess in his thread..

    Is alot to explained .
     
  19. mindovermatter2

    mindovermatter2 Junior Member

    The woman tested positive today . Took about 6 months .

    kept with hcg,clomid, nolva, aromasin and HMG when I could afford it a few times a month
     
  20. NandroXL

    NandroXL Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    congratulation!!!

    i got today 3rd semens analize.. evrything go down. ..in 3 months... 3 months ago i have 25mln... now. go down to 6.8 mln... dont know why... iam all time on hcg/hmg