High Red Blood Cell Count?

Discussion in 'Men's Health Forum' started by solo47, Oct 23, 2010.

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    solo47

    solo47 Active Member

    Okay, here's my fix. In brief, my urologist says my red blood cell count is high (52), which is barely acceptable. He says that physicians are recommended to take patients off testosterone supplementation (HRT) if their red blood cell count gets too high (about "54" – 54 what, I don't know). So I'm do go in and do another BW in about three months, say at the end of January.

    Now, goddammit, it took me a long time to get this prescription going (for 100 mg of Test cyp injects EW), and I really like the pharmaceutical grade testosterone, so I certainly don't want to raise my red blood cell count any more than it is. What can I do to get it down?

    My lady says eat more white meat and less red meat, but I think the high count is more to do with my extra supplementation. I am on peptides every day (ghrp-6 + GRF-129). and I confess I have been adding extra shots of masteron prop for the workout drive & libido. To make things worse, my little family and I have booked into Puerto Vallarta for the week leading up to Xmas. To be buff as possible at that time, I have been planning a mini-cycle to begin on November 1 and to consist basically of Test cyp at 500 per week, but also to begin tren ace @ 600 mg EW + Masteron prop 450 mg EW. So just before I leave on the flight, I'll just take a final shot of each. The Test cyp effects will easily last. However, I am certain that these dosages should significantly raise my red blood cell count.

    So , then what? I'm thinking of waiting four weeks on nothing at all then going back down to 100 Test cyp EW. Hopefully, if I take the blood test about four or five weeks after coming back from Mexico in late December, my bloodwork at the end of January should show a lower red blood cell count. BUT I have no idea if changes occur that quickly.:confused:

    I am thinking of skipping my mini-cycle, but that would be such a disappointment. Can anyone with knowledge in this specialized area offer me any advice?

    Solo
     
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    HeadDoc

    HeadDoc Psychologist; Super Moderator

    donate some blood.

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    jlguitar

    jlguitar Junior Member

    give blood right before you get bloodwork done,you can also donate double the red blood cells,that should get your rbc level lower.
     
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    hardasnails1973

    hardasnails1973 Active Member

    Check your ferritin first and also examine if there is sleep apnea and also possible dehydration can cause elevated RBC and hemocrit.
     
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    cb541

    cb541 Junior Member

    I just spoke with my doc about the same exact problem. His advice was to donate blood. He said that was the quickest most effective way to lower rbc. While on cycle and taking blood test for get you should plan on donating periodicaly to help control this issue. While high rbc can be beneficial from an athletic stance, allowing it to continue for a long period of time can have unwanted health risks
     
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    Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    I can only agree to donating blood if one is truthful with the collection center. But, the treating physician should know about therapeutic phlebotomy. This is a very standard and common procedure. It is routine. Ask the doctor for an order. One does not need to go off TRT unless the RBC production has gone off a cliff, which is unusual.
     
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    liftermo

    liftermo Banned

    What are the bad effects of a high RBC, i used steroids for years, mainly testosterone and sometimes would stay on as long as 9 months.

    I never donated blood. I did notice when i cut myself a month back that my blood was very thick, dark and looked odd. I was not dehydrated at all.

    My sympotoms at moment are depression, anxiety, loss of libido, sex dysfunction, insomnia et etc. I wonder if they are linked.
     
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    hi RBC is certainly a danger, the higher the more dangerous as ur blood thickens n gets more gooey...therapeutic phlebotomy is a great way to lower RBC, but my doc won't have it done. if u cant get blood drawn, consider drinking a ton of water the day b4 ur next blood work, and in the 2 hours b4 the blood draw, drink at least 50 oz of water and 32 oz of Pedialyte.

    u'll piss like Niagra Falls, but ur RBC will go down several points.
     
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    Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine


    The RBC, hematocrit and hemoglobin, which are expressed as a percent will decrease. However, their relative value will often point to polycythemia.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2010
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    uhm, actually all 3 decreased using this technique...each time i've done this i've been shown all 3 values, and how they dropped. i'd much rather get a therapeutic phlebotomy, sit around 30 min n then have some juice and some oreos after, but this is presently the only option i have over crashing off TRT for a month or two. i'd love to convince my doc for a blood-draw instead.
     
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    awww now ya went done n edited the thaang!
     
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    Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    I think you missed my correction/edits, but you are correct.
     
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    Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    We are chasing one another. I quit.
     
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    :mad: don't quit on me yet! point me to some good arguments for therapeutic phlebotomy that i can use on my doc!:(
     
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    HeadDoc

    HeadDoc Psychologist; Super Moderator

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    Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

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    solo47

    solo47 Active Member

    I appreciate this, Michael, but also a bit confused. If I donated blood at the end of January the night before my prescribed BW, my blood should have no unusual steroid content. What is the point of being "truthful" with the collection center?

    My treating physician is pretty damned reticent as it is. He only put me on injects when I said I'd probably do it myself if he didn't. (I was very polite about this, of course, and he seems to give some respect to my opinion since I'm an academic.)

    I'm thinking this first time to just get the labwork order from the doc then the night before the lab tests, donate a pint of blood and drink plenty water until test time — just to allay his fears. When the results come back, I could then discuss with him the use of phlebotomy to lower my red blood cell count (if it goes up again). What do you think?

    A final thought izzat I live in small city with pretty bad air pollution. I suffer sinus congestion even after getting the roto-rooter operation. Maybe I don't get enough oxygen, but I still get enough to do cardio three times a week.

    Best,

    Solo
     
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    2yung4this

    2yung4this Junior Member

    Lisinopril. My doc put me on this when me hematacrit hit 50. Worked great and my hp has never been better lol
     
  20. #20
    solo47

    solo47 Active Member

    This is a serious high blood pressure drug. Are you put on for life?

    Solo
     

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