Hip (Ventrogluteal) Site For IM Injection

Discussion in 'Steroid Forum' started by TrainHard, Aug 1, 2010.

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    TrainHard

    TrainHard Active Member

    Hey Everyone

    We've gotten a lot of questions in here about the ventrogluteal injection site, so hopefully this will help clear things up a bit for everyone. I wish the pictures were better, but its frick'n hard as hell to take pictures while injecting. So if anyone has any questions let me know. Hopefully they are easy to follow and understand. I'll also attach a pdf if people have questions on injection technique.

    http://home.earthlink.net/~miche1/intrainj.pdf

    VG over view:

    1. Find the
    trochanter. It is the knobby top portion of the long bone in your upper leg (femur). It is about the size of a golf ball.

    2. Find the anterior iliac crest. The nurse will help you find the bone landmarks.

    3. Place the palm of your hand over the trochanter. Point the first or index finger toward the anterior iliac crest. Spread the second or middle finger toward the back, making a 'V'. The thumb should always be pointed toward the front of the leg. Always use the index finger and middle finger to make the 'V'.

    4. Give the injection between the knuckles on your index and middle fingers.

    5. Stretch the skin tight.

    6. Hold the syringe like a pencil or dart. Insert the needle at a right angle to the skin (90 degree).

    7. You may give up to 3 ml. (cc) of fluid in this site.

     
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    Reinheart

    Reinheart Active Member

    Very good post bro! I was confused myself about the spot. Looks like it's pretty painful to inject over there though.
     
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    bigrobbie

    bigrobbie Well-Known Member

    As always...great stuff my friend!! Reps for the post! I WISH WE COULD STICKY!!!![:eek:)]
     
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    Stretch

    Stretch Active Member

    Best way I've found to find it by yourself is to start at the trochanter move approx 1'' north then continue shifting your weight from your "off" leg and then back to the leg you intend on injecting. When you find the right muscle it will be bulging out whenever your weight is on the "inject" leg.
     
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    BBC3

    BBC3 Well-Known Member

    It has always been confusing. Someone once told me about it on this forum, and the way it was described it sounded almost like the groin. I KNEW BETTER, but remained confused.

    I call it "The Karate Kick Muscle". If raising your leg out to the side, it will bulge right over the Rear top of your hip.

    YOUR PHOTOS ARE GREAT!:)
     
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    solo47

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    TrainHard

    TrainHard Active Member

    Solo is correct, 1.5 in spike no pain, for those wondering what I used, 23g 1.5in, super easy. The only thing is a few surface veins which can be easily avoided.

    Nice Picks bro, couldn't guess your age from those, Got some hair though...lol[:eek:)] Just messing.
     
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    TrainHard

    TrainHard Active Member

    ZERO PAIN bro, nothing, the absoute best spot for injecting. Very few nerves and very few veins, just some surface ones that you can see and avoid.
     
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    i've ALWAYS heard the ventro is the best spot to inject both to avoid pain/nerves/veins/arteries, and to inject week after week year after year with the least amount of scar tissue or damaged muscle function. i'd be using 25ga. 1.5" needles...TH2, u had said previously that u were starting on .25s...may i ask y u switched back to .23s??

    between this thread n solo's thread, i may build up enuff courage to try it out...i will note that the nurses at my doc also had no idea how to adminster a ventro injection tho. :)

    thanks again.
     
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    one question: on the image with the triangle superimposed, that's NOT the entire viable injection area, is it? i was under the impression that the actual pin-spot would be a 1.5-2" diameter circle roughly in the middle of that triangle...and that missing that spot meant hitting bone. THAT's my one big fear with this injection site.
     
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    buddy1

    buddy1 Member

    Thanks. I saved the pdf.
     
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    buddy1

    buddy1 Member

    I don't know about TrainHard, but I can tell you that I use a 23g because it takes forever to push 3ml through a 25g. I do use 25g (1") on delts, with as much as 2ml.
     
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    Stretch

    Stretch Active Member


    THAT is a remarkable statement. The ventro-gluteal injection site is the site of choice for ANY intramuscular injection. There really is no debate in the medical community. (I'm not a Dr. but that statement is based on all the reading I've done.) It is able to safely handle a 5cc injection, according to JAMA.
     
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    solo47

    solo47 Active Member

    It's pretty hard to miss, Jet. If you flex your leg at the hip joint, the muscle tissue will reveal itself. Except for the hip flange ("iliac crest") itself (way up there) and the hip joint itself ("trochanter") way down there, it's all pretty well open territory. Go in slowly if you're nervous but once you break the skin you'll feel like you're cutting butter with a hot knife.

    Solo
     
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    solo47

    solo47 Active Member

    Hair? Yeah, I don't compete so I please myself. "Bird never make nest in bare tree." (Sean Connery as James Bond in "You Only Live Twice". Geisha girls giggled at his hairy chest & his Japanese friend said it looked uninviting to them.)

    I think I look okay for the beginnings of oldmanhood. Check my profile.

    Solo
     
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    oh i know, i've warned people here who mentioned they might try the lighter gauge to beware the greater effort needed to inject...my first couple of times were more painful than .23s. however, since that time my hands r acclimated to the tension level, and i find .25s far smoother n painless than .23s. whenever i run out of 25s n have to use my hubby's 23s, i notice the difference...23 is more painful, easy. months back TH2 had said he was switching to 25s n made light of the tension-difference, so i was curious about his current usage.

    well it's good to know about the 5ml limit therein, but i should mention that i've received IM injections in hospitals throughout NYC, from Mount Sinai to St Vincent's to Jacobi and others, and i can recall not one single instance of a doc or nurse aspirating/registering an IM injection...just stick it in n shoot, every time.
    hmm, with that i think i'll try it on myself on my tuesday injection, once i got it mastered i'll do it to hubby too. many thanks!
     
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    TrainHard

    TrainHard Active Member

    LOL you crack me up bro, honestly, quit being so hard on yourself, you had some hard cuts in those pics, a better body than half the people in here. I wouldn't let you age bother you, obviously you turned back the hands of time. btw my favorite James Bond Movie was Thunderball

    Also, If I don't shave I'd look like an ape, I don't have to worry about staying warm during an ice age[:eek:)]



    I've always used 23g.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2010
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    BBC3

    BBC3 Well-Known Member

    I don't really think the area is any more painless than the outer glutes, I kinda thought it was primarily moreso an easy to hit spot, that is..... For those of us not that experienced with the REACH AROUND... Isn't that right, Jeton.......:eek:[:eek:)]

    SOrry, could not resist....:D
     
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    Reinheart

    Reinheart Active Member

    Actually, what i have figuered is that it isn't the penetration that hurts (unless you hit a nerve). It's injection of the solution that hurts major ass. Testoviron totally criples me while i inject it, even if i have warmed the vial up.... I can only imagine how badly test prop hurts....
     
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    Jeton

    Jeton Active Member

    fair enuff, but u did state here in a thread about injection technique that u intended to try .25s, n when i mentioned the big jump in resistance u had an "elementary, dear Watson!" attitude about it. :D

    hey, this is the ONLY kind of reach-around i need a mirror and a footstool for...every other kind just goes on instinct. :)

    honestly, as someone who injected weekly until just under a year ago, n 2x/weekly since, i notice the needle pain and injection pain vary greatly, independently of each other.
     

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