I would like to know what those of you who support trump will do when he loses the election?

Question for you Skard, when trump was watching the riots....did he call for the national guard or anyone to stop it? Did he tweet to his followers to be peaceful? No. So there is some guilt by non action even if you dont want to believe anything else.
Mike pence had to call the national guard while trump sat and watched it on tv. You think that was presidential?
And i am trying to have rational conversations with you and you’re calling me a fraud. That’s telling of who and what you are. Ive had plenty of trump supporters that i can have rational conversations with. And its ok for us to agree to disagree. I don’t have to resort to childish name calling because others don’t agree with me. Omg....im a obviously a fraud because everyone knows Skard is absolutely correct and could never wrong!!
Btw, My teenager thinks hes right all the time too.....just saying
 
A link to Politicos list of views of Joe Biden:
Where Joe Biden stands on the biggest 2020 issues

If you really want to debate all the issues just pick one and go for it. You do not need @Millard or anyone else to spoon feed you. His views are public, not sure if you heard but he recently kicked the shit out of Donald Trump in a general election.

Calm, critical, logical thinking is very hard and time consuming, that is why judging is so much more common.
 
First of all, if you count the time it takes to walk from Trump's speech location to the capitol, people could not have made it there by the time the first people started breaking windows. Not saying that means there were no Trump supporters there , but they do usually listen to his entire speeches.

Evidence and more arrests of Antifa have been piling up.

And did you see the video of police letting people in later? They were walking slowly and peacefully within the velvet ropes. Oh, my, it was a brutal attack.

More and more news coming out today about how it was a pre-planned Antifa operation.

Oh well, believe what you will. I have a feeling more truth about the whole thing will become clear soon.
 
First of all, if you count the time it takes to walk from Trump's speech location to the capitol, people could not have made it there by the time the first people started breaking windows. Not saying that means there were no Trump supporters there , but they do usually listen to his entire speeches.

Evidence and more arrests of Antifa have been piling up.

And did you see the video of police letting people in later? They were walking slowly and peacefully within the velvet ropes. Oh, my, it was a brutal attack.

More and more news coming out today about how it was a pre-planned Antifa operation.

Oh well, believe what you will. I have a feeling more truth about the whole thing will become clear soon.
I agree. So why call names instead of just waiting to find out more info. And btw, all the people ive seen arrested have been trump supporters. Whether they walked from the speech location doesn’t matter.
And maybe you haven’t seen as much video as i have, because the police conceded the area after being overrun isn’t really what i call not brutal. I also saw some things that were brutal and heard accounts from capitol police that were attacked that would tell me you’re not entirely accurate.
And I’m not sure how you say on one side that it was peaceful and on the other side antifa was totally to blame. So antifa is to blame for what you said was a peaceful walk through the capitol? So why so defensive about it and blaming antifa?
What you’re saying to me doesn’t really add up.
 
A link to Politicos list of views of Joe Biden:
Where Joe Biden stands on the biggest 2020 issues

If you really want to debate all the issues just pick one and go for it. You do not need @Millard Baker or anyone else to spoon feed you. His views are public, not sure if you heard but he recently kicked the shit out of Donald Trump in a general election.

Calm, critical, logical thinking is very hard and time consuming, that is why judging is so much more common.
Well said my man. Well said. Anyone wondering "Why did you vote for Biden" could just read that page. I agree with literally everything on there. I am very pro-2A and pro-gun, but I do think expanded background checks and more stringent restrictions on people with mental health issues buying guns should be put in place. I am strongly opposed to assault weapon bans, high-cap mag bans, online gun/ammo sale bans--all those things are going WAY to far and definitely starting to infringe on my right to defend myself and my family.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I imagine that @Millard and I have fairly similar reasons for voting Biden. I literally already answered that question in a previous post on this thread. It really doesn't make anyone look good for them to keep hammering away at "Why did you vote for Biden? Why did you vote for Biden? Why? Why? Why? Why?!?!?!??! Why did you vote for Biden? Give me one reason, man. On you aren't responding? Obviously you have no reason! Trump wins again, just like he won the election!" Give us a break, please. We all voted for Biden because we agree with the vast majority of his policies and we vehemently disagree with the policies of Trump and the GOP. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Cutting environmental protections hurts the health and well-being of the People and damages the ecosystem (yes that is a massive wiki article, skim through it if you have time, here is a more succinct article). Embracing nationalist and isolationist values, xenophobia, homophobia, and glorifying his sexual abuse and assault of women is not good for us, it loses us allies and hurts our position in the global stage--No I don't think we should be playing world police, but to pull out of trade acts, the Paris climate accord, and abandon allies like the Kurds is just fucking stupid.

A lot of people say Trump "took on China." Well, there are a few reasons why that was both wrong and stupid and did not really help us. He has weakened our position on the global stage and actually created big opportunity for China. He has done this all while touting that his trade war is making China hurt, they are struggling and we have them beneath our thumb. It is bullshit. Even Chinese strategists themselves has said this has been the best time for China since the cold war. Xi himself has even said as much in many recent speeches. There is no question about it, China is playing chess and the US is playing something closer to Go Fish. Trump talks alot, you really can't listen to what he says, because he just vomits nonsense most of the time. That's part of the reason why we are so fucked right now--he has been spouting all this fucking bullshit for the last 4-6 years and for whatever reason his supporters just suck it up like it is the word of their God. They don't read political analysts, they don't read the opinions of experienced foreign policy experts. Hell, most people don't even know how tariffs work!!

So yes, I am really looking forward to having Biden in charge. He has actual political experience and I think he will actually DO HIS JOB whilst in office, rather than just watching the news, tweeting, having meaningless rallies to pump up his base and generally being obsessed with himself the whole time. People complain about Biden's gaffs (and yeah, some of them are quite bad), but Trump has had just as many and some of them were even worse. I think Biden is more mentally stable than Trump, I think he is a better human being than Trump, I think he cares more about the country than Trump does (who has given us evidence that he really is only in it for himself and his rich family/friends). I also don't think Biden will squander my hard-earned tax dollars on fucking luxury golf trips. I don't think Biden will engage in ultra-shady and potentially outright illegal financial activity (like the Trump campaign/family here, here, and here) and I don't think he will use shell companies to hide his campaign spending.

And then there is this:

FBI Allegation: Russian Intelligence paid $500k in Bitcoin to Trump’s coup leaders


As I said previously, Russia and China have really enjoyed the Trump presidency. They have actively worked through disinformation campaigns and now directly funding right-wing domestic terrorist cells in the US. Trump has destabilized the US, brought us closer than we've ever been before to a Civil War since 1861, and and created an international power vacuum which they intend to take advantage of to increase their power on the global stage.

Biden may be old (a lot older than I would like). He may not have been my first pick. I may not like his VP pick. However, overall I think he will be better for the country and much better for The People of the United States of America than Trump could ever dream of being. That is why I voted for Biden and most likely everyone else in this thread who said they did. Yes, there is a lot of "voting against Trump" going on rather than specifically for Biden, but regardless, Biden will do a good job. Personally I would've rather seen Yang or Tulsi. Younger people with energy and fresh ideas. I think Yang might have been one of the best presidents ever. He is just a genius, full of ideas and passion. I really hope he runs again someday.
 
So you said you’re open to some conversation. Ill indulge a little here. The responses you made here are all “i heard.....”. I’m sorry, i heard is not anything that can be just followed or believed. And trump is the most narcissistic man ever. He honestly doesn’t care about anyone other than himself and has gotten people to believe hes doing things for them when in fact its all self serving. He doesn’t care about any of his followers other than the fact they’re following. Do you not think that mike pence and Mitch McConnell would have the same voter fraud info the president has? But yet they are just going to let it go and not be yelling from the rooftops and trying to show proof? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Trump is only doing this for trump. And the FEW that are still backing trump are only pandering to his followers to try to get them to follow them once trump is gone.
And I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here. Everyone is so set in their way and wont stop to step outside their bubble for a second to catch a breath of air and try to see things clearly
And fwiw, I’ve been a lifelong republican, but i can see people for what they are. And Because someone is a Democrat or republican does not make them good or bad.
And for anyone to think its ok for the president to ask his followers to overtake congress.....ill never understand that. You are pretty much telling trump you want him to be your king and ruler. Against everything our country was built on.

You can say “Trump is doing this only for Trump” but you can’t also ask yourself “Maybe Mike Pence and Mitch McConnell are only doing what they are doing for themselves”???

Lifelong career politicians STOPPED caring about you, me, or anyone else. They all only care about staying in office. That’s it. If you think otherwise than you’re being naive. It’s the big boys club and they want to make sure they have a seat there in the future.

Lol, Mitch McConnell as if he’s an unwaivering beacon of conservative ideals?
 


If Trump caused the riot. How come there were Antifa inside the Capitol building?

Nobody wants to think the media is lying to you. It’s far easier to believe everything at face value. But our country isn’t what it seems.
 
You can say “Trump is doing this only for Trump” but you can’t also ask yourself “Maybe Mike Pence and Mitch McConnell are only doing what they are doing for themselves”???

Lifelong career politicians STOPPED caring about you, me, or anyone else. They all only care about staying in office. That’s it. If you think otherwise than you’re being naive. It’s the big boys club and they want to make sure they have a seat there in the future.

Lol, Mitch McConnell as if he’s an unwaivering beacon of conservative ideals?
I dont disagree with you one bit here.
And I wasn’t trying to imply they were. But my question was more about this whole widespread voter fraud that “stole the election”. Would not pence and McConnell have that same info and be screaming from the rooftops with the evidence to protect their party? And protect themselves as well as totally tarnish the Democratic Party with the evidence?
But they have instead moved forward recognizing Biden as the next president. Is that in their best interest?
 
Wow. This old photo of East Berlin really show how difficult it must be to live under a communist regime....

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Oops, my bad. Those are pictures of what the Capitol of the Free World looks like in preparation for the “virtual” Inauguration of Comrade Biden....

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Since Biden “won” with the “most votes for any candidate ever” (LOL) I’m sure our country got what the majority want!!!

Welcome to America!!!

Oh and all of a sudden Democrats are loving walls and assault rifles????
 
I dont disagree with you one bit here.
And I wasn’t trying to imply they were. But my question was more about this whole widespread voter fraud that “stole the election”. Would not pence and McConnell have that same info and be screaming from the rooftops with the evidence to protect their party? And protect themselves as well as totally tarnish the Democratic Party with the evidence?
But they have instead moved forward recognizing Biden as the next president. Is that in their best interest?

I don’t know that they would have access to the same information. If China was involved (or other foreign nations) then I’m sure a lot is classified material because it could be a very serious national security risk. Do all Senators get to see everything that’s classified? I don’t know.
 
Wow. This old photo of East Berlin really show how difficult it must be to live under a communist regime....

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Oops, my bad. Those are pictures of what the Capitol of the Free World looks like in preparation for the “virtual” Inauguration of Comrade Biden....

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Since Biden “won” with the “most votes for any candidate ever” (LOL) I’m sure our country got what the majority want!!!

Welcome to America!!!

Oh and all of a sudden Democrats are loving walls and assault rifles????
To put this in perspective, these fences were put up to protect against attacks by right-wingers. They're a direct result of the storming of the capitol building and continued threats being made against members of the US government. Why would Biden supporters attack their own candidate's inauguration?

What would you have them do instead of putting up security barriers and maintaining a military presence? That's an honest question.
 
Never mind.

It’s normalized for you.

What “threat” justifies 25,000 armed soldiers? Checkpoints? Barricades with barbed-wire? Bridge closings?

Don’t lose perspective. The majority of people that entered the Capitol looked like they were sight-seeing tourists. That wasn’t a threat.

We’re going to “prepare for the absolute worst” in every situation now? Remember, the East Germans were initially told that the Berlin Wall was built for “their protection”. They found out later why it was really built.

They’ve certainly made their point I guess. But let’s say there actually WAS something to happen. Are you in favor of OUR military opening fire on OUR own citizens? What justifies use of that kind of force? These are the questions I’m asking.

The same politicians that tell us to “shelter in place” for our safety can’t sit behind bulletproof plexiglass? They need to wall off the area?
 
Most people vote for Biden the same reason they voted for trump in 2016, they weren’t the other person. The very fact that the best we can do is put Hillary, trump, and grandpa sniffer out there to choose from as leaders should tell everyone something about our country. It is going in the wrong direction. If these idiots are the best we have to offer, that is sad. No longer is the US president the leader of the free world unless the free world is ready to get pummeled. Come on, you guys can’t be serious thinking any of these three are real leaders worth following and respecting? They are a bunch of clowns. We all vote but most of us, at least the smart ones held our nose while doing so because both the candidates stuck so bad both 2020 and 2016.
 
Never mind.

It’s normalized for you.

What “threat” justifies 25,000 armed soldiers? Checkpoints? Barricades with barbed-wire? Bridge closings?

Don’t lose perspective. The majority of people that entered the Capitol looked like they were sight-seeing tourists. That wasn’t a threat.

We’re going to “prepare for the absolute worst” in every situation now? Remember, the East Germans were initially told that the Berlin Wall was built for “their protection”. They found out later why it was really built.

They’ve certainly made their point I guess. But let’s say there actually WAS something to happen. Are you in favor of OUR military opening fire on OUR own citizens? What justifies use of that kind of force? These are the questions I’m asking.

The same politicians that tell us to “shelter in place” for our safety can’t sit behind bulletproof plexiglass? They need to wall off the area?
So much for the RIGHT to peaceably assemble and petition our government. I can hardly recognize my country anymore and it is sad.
 
Both sides are so full of horse shit. The idea that anyone gives faith to either side makes me wonder. Cannot really stand Democrats or Republicans, rarely do I meet an American I do not like.

I am 100% for shooting any idiot that attacks any city. Don't care what side you are on. Attack my country and I hope you die. Fuck sides.
 
How the American Civil War Will Start

While it is not inevitable, most would admit that it looks like a strong possibility.
I don't necessarily believe everything he says in this video, however, much of it IS undeniably true.

 
But let’s say there actually WAS something to happen. Are you in favor of OUR military opening fire on OUR own citizens? What justifies use of that kind of force?
That's a difficult question to answer and it really depends on the situation. If, say, a bunch of people showed up and started firing at the proceedings, yes, I'd say that the military would be justified in shooting back at the people responsible. If there are a bunch of people just making noise and breaking things, absolutely not. That doesn't warrant killing people over.

I doubt that it will ever get to that point (and very much hope that it doesn't), but it's like people always say about the BLM protestors: don't do the crime and you won't get shot. That rule doesn't suddenly change because the people doing the crime are of a different political affiliation.

I'm a huge supporter of the right to protest, but it's very important to remember that we have the right to peaceful assembly, not the right to do what we want because we don't like the outcome of something.
 
Protest?, everyone is a big crybaby, right now in America we protest if anything doesn’t go our way. We are the biggest group of sissified whiny cry babies I have ever seen. Seriously people act like six year olds that didn’t get all they wanted for Christmas and throw a tantrum. Protest, what a joke. Seeing a bunch of grown people marching and chanting and crying and wanting to get attention, how very Facebook of you.
 
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