Is the Active Life of the drug how long to wait to start PCT?

Discussion in 'Steroid Post Cycle Therapy and ASIH Treatment' started by WillyNilly402, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. WillyNilly402

    WillyNilly402 Member

    I see varying posts and answers to this, so I wanted to see if I can get a better understanding of when to start pct.

    For example, Test PH has an Active Life of 4-6 days if I understand it correctly. Would you then wait 6 days after the last pin to start PCT with clomid and/or nolva?

    The longer esters like Test E appear to have an Active Life of 10-14 days, so in this case you'd wait a minimum of two weeks after the last pin to start. Are these assumptions correct, or am I way off?

    How does this get factored out if you're on more than one drug and each has a different Active Life. Would you then just wait until the drug with the longer Active Life has reached its life to start PCT?
     
  2. Sk8man101

    Sk8man101 Member

    I'd take the half life of your last dose and times it by 4.(depending on the dose)
    I'll link you a thread gimme a sec.
     
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  3. Sk8man101

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  4. WillyNilly402

    WillyNilly402 Member

    Actually just read that article earlier. One of your posts in it talks about when the full dosage is out of your body, and that's kind of what got me thinking.

    I found a half-life calculator online, and entered the following equation.

    See the next post with the correct number of hours.
     
  5. WillyNilly402

    WillyNilly402 Member

    Actually, disregard that last post, I entered 3 hours instead of 72 (for 3 days). My mistake on the calc.

    So 100mg dose with a 2-3 day half life gives this:

    48 hours - 50 mg / 50%
    96 hours - 25 mg / 25%
    144 hours - 13 mg / 13%
    192 hours - 6 mg / 6%
    240 hours - 3 mg / 3%
    288 hours - 2 mg / 1%
    336 hours - 1 mg / 0%

    to

    72 hours - 50 mg / 50%
    144 hours - 25 mg / 25%
    216 hours - 13 mg / 13%
    288 hours - 6 mg / 6%
    360 hours - 3 mg / 3%
    432 hours - 2 mg / 1%
    504 hours - 1 mg / 0%

    And that makes a lot more sense to me, as 336 is 14 days and 504 hours is 21 days. So would you need to wait 14-21 days after your last pin to start pct with the above info. With the info in your other thread you suggested half-life times 4 so that'd be 8-12 days, which is about a week less that what I came up with on the equations above.

    Sorry if I'm confusing anyone, I've already confused myself, and want to get this squared away.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2017
  6. Sk8man101

    Sk8man101 Member

    Depends on the compound you take man. If it only has a 3 day half life I'll be you could get away with only waiting 7-8 days.
    Cause your pinning less for short esters.
    For example your last does would be like 100 or 150.
    Not 300 or 500.
    So by the time 2 half lifes roll around your already at only like 25-35mg.
    The example I gave in the other thread was for test e.

    Edit:remember you also have to calculate the half life from your previous shots if you want to get it exact. Just stick to the 3-4 halflife rule of thumb for your gap between cycle and your pct and you should be fine.
     
  7. WillyNilly402

    WillyNilly402 Member

    That makes sense. The compound in question is Test PH. It has a half life of 2-3 days, so 8-12 days should suffice between last pin and the start of the cycle. Very good, thanks!
     
  8. Sk8man101

    Sk8man101 Member

    pct* not another cycle haha.
    Ideally yes.
     
  9. WillyNilly402

    WillyNilly402 Member

    Ha, yep PCT, not cycle! Good catch.
     
  10. MindlessWork

    MindlessWork Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Good info for those who need to know when they can start pct for various substances. Isn't 4 weeks after last pin optimal for a plain test e 500mg ew cycle?
     
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  11. MindlessWork

    MindlessWork Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I am taking the 500mg test e 250 in 2 shots each week of 1cc (250mg) each.
     
  12. WillyNilly402

    WillyNilly402 Member

    At 250mg bi-weekly this would be how long the drug stays in your system considering a 5-7 day half life:

    120 hours - 125 mg / 50%
    240 hours - 63 mg / 25%
    360 hours - 31 mg / 13%
    480 hours - 16 mg / 6%
    600 hours - 8 mg / 3%
    720 hours - 4 mg / 1%
    840 hours - 2 mg / 0%
    Total days - 35

    to

    168 hours - 125 mg / 50%
    336 hours - 63 mg / 25%
    504 hours - 31 mg / 13%
    672 hours - 16 mg / 6%
    840 hours - 8 mg / 3%
    1008 hours - 4 mg / 1%
    1176 hours - 2 mg / 0%
    Total days - 49

    So to have full clearance from your system you're looking at 5-7 weeks. Considering the info @Sk8man101 posted you likely want to start pct shortly before 100% clearance of exogenous testosterone as you will want your body to start producing and catching up before you go on a full testosterone deficit. I'm no expert in this area, but from the information I gather here and elsewhere I'd say you would want to start PCT after 4 full weeks, and no more than 5.
     
  13. Sk8man101

    Sk8man101 Member

    Yeah with test e 4 weeks should be sufficient if you are pinning 250 twice a week.
     
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  14. MindlessWork

    MindlessWork Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Thanks and yes I am pinning twice a week.
     
  15. Sk8man101

    Sk8man101 Member

    Not exactly, you body can't recover while having synthetic test in your system.
    The slight over lap of the miniscule amounts of test e lingering in your system is not likely enough to keep you shut down during pct. (<-this is bro science)
     
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  16. Sk8man101

    Sk8man101 Member

    Some people choose 3 weeks cause they end up feeling really shut down that last week before pct.
     
  17. MindlessWork

    MindlessWork Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    If it comes to that and I feel like death then I might even start PCT towards the end of the 3rd week.
     
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  18. Riz

    Riz Member

    I'm so glad I came across this thread, a lot of valuable info.

    How come waiting two weeks after your last pin of test e is preached so heavily although credible sources show it's beneficial to wait at least 3-4 weeks before starting pct?
     
  19. Sk8man101

    Sk8man101 Member

    Cause bro science.
     
  20. Dr JIM

    Dr JIM Member

    The dose pined and obviously the ester can make a considerable difference with respect to pct.

    Ultimately the objective is to achieve LOW TT levels on the order of 200mg/DL or lower BEFORE PCT is started.

    And MANY that have been pinning several AAS will develop "low T" symptoms much sooner
    than what is required for effective PCT.

    The point: those who are pinning
    ONE GRAM or more a week of AAS, are better off waiting at LEAST 4 weeks after the last pin before PCT is initiated.

    Finally for those who have embarked on Blast n Cruise "cycling" all bets are off, as labs are required to confirm the
    onset of PCT w few exceptions IME.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2017
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