Labmax-like roid tests with cheap Ebay chemicals? Here's how

Discussion in 'Steroid Lab Testing' started by master.on, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. master.on

    master.on Member

    The analysis and identification of steroids

    Abstract
    In October 1987, anabolic steroids were controlled under Schedule IV of Florida State Statute 893. This study was designed to establish a method of analysis and identification of evidentiary cases. Spot tests, Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FT-IR), gas chromatography/mass spectroscopy (GC/MS), Fourier transform nuclear magnetic resonance (FT-NMR), thin-layer chromatography (TLC), and extractions were performed on standard and pharmaceutical steroids. Mandelin's accompanied by the sulfuric acid test was found to provide the best indication of a steroid among the following four spot tests performed: sulfuric acid, napthol-sulfuric acid, Liebermann's, and Mandelin's. TLC was successfully performed on the steroid samples using two different eluent systems: TP and TQ. GC/MS was a very useful method of analysis applicable to most steroids, with only a few exceptions. FT-IR spectra were found to match the spectra from the literature for all the standards tested. The combination of the above techniques was used successfully to identify all the standards tested.

    Spots Tests Four spot tests were performed [3].
    1. Sulfuric acid (concentrated).
    2. Napthol sulfuric acid--1 g of 2-naphthol was dissolved in 40 mL of concentrated sulfuric acid by heating in water bath at 100~ and stirring.
    3. Liebermann's--5 g of sodium nitrite were dissolved in 50 mL of concentrated sulfuric acid while cooling and swirling.
    4. Mandelin's--0.5 g of ammonium vanadate was dissolved in 1.5 mL of water and diluted to 100 mL with concentrated sulfuric acid. The solution was then filtered through glass wool. Thin-layer Chromatography Four different eluent systems were recommended for



    So now you can simple Google the previously mentioned chemicals or look them up in Ebay.
    I recommend you get the reagents pre-made unless you intend to be the next Labmax competitor
    And yes, I think a single use yet ALL-steroid capable test kit containing all 4 reagents can be sold for about $20
    If interested in this as a nice, yet legal business opportunity, I'll be glad to help so feel free to PM me.

    You can now buy an UV lamp.
    Some bill counterfeit detection lamps are cheap, widely available and reliable.

    I'm pretty sure Roid-Test uses these chemicals as evidenced by Dbol turning red and Halo Yellow under sulfuric acid

    Oils and pills raws
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    Raws
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    And labmax too
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    In Ebay you can easily buy then on Ebay for about $50 and they last for many tests.
     
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  2. PM me the link.. I am always interested in seeing other option in regards to testing AAS..
     
  3. master.on

    master.on Member

  4. master.on

    master.on Member

    In Ebay simply search for
    - Mandelin reagent
    - Liebermann reagent

    some people at esctasydata.org have also used Mecke reagent and there is a wide database of results there, with pics. But they only posted the pic results too see which colors they yield. They don't guarantee accuracy.

    Some Mandelin reagent products at Ebay
    Marquis Mandelin Mecke Laboratory Reagent. Test Kit With Cards and Reaction Vial | eBay
    Marquis Mandelin Mecke and Ehrlich Reagent.Four bottles With ID Cards and Tube | eBay
    Marquis Mandelin and Ehrlich Reagent.Three bottles With ID Cards and Tube | eBay
    Marquis Ehrlich Mandelin Mecke and Simons Reagent.Six bottles with I.D cards | eBay
    Marquis Mandelin Mecke and Simons Reagent.Five bottles with I.D cards and Tube | eBay

    It looks like Liebermann reagent kits ain't available domestically. At least I didn't find them.
    These are in Italy:
    LIEBERMANN + MANDELIN REAGENT + PIPETTES - 10 mL - DRUG TEST KIT | eBay
    LIEBERMANN REAGENT + PIPETTE- 10 mL - DRUG TEST | eBay
    MANDELIN + LIEBERMANN + FROEHDE REAGENT + PIPETTES - 10 mL - DRUG TEST KIT | eBay
    LIEBERMANN + FROEHDE REAGENT + PIPETTES - 10 mL - DRUG TEST KIT | eBay
    MARQUIS + LIEBERMANN REAGENT + PIPETTES - 10 mL - DRUG TEST KIT | eBay
    MARQUIS + LIEBERMANN + FROEHDE REAGENT + PIPETTES - 10 mL - DRUG TEST KIT | eBay
    MARQUIS + MANDELIN + LIEBERMANN + FROEHDE REAGENT + PIPETTES - 10 mL - DRUG TEST | eBay
    MARQUIS + LIEBERMANN + MANDELIN REAGENT + PIPETTES - 10 mL - DRUG TEST KIT | eBay

    I don't think there is going to be a problem importing them. They ain't controlled substances and they don't mention drug testing in most of them.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2017
  5. master.on

    master.on Member

    Now the promising future:

    As you see many of these kits come with additional reagents not mentioned in the Steroids study:
    -Mecke
    -Marquis
    -Ehlrich
    -Simons
    -Froehde
    -There was a kit with TEN different reagents I can't find anymore. Shoulda bookmart it.

    I'll see if I can find some info (either scientific studies) about testing Anabolic Steroids with these other reagents.
    If you find something please post here.
     
  6. master.on

    master.on Member

    As for Naphtol, needed to make the second reagent in the study chart (sulfuric acid + Naphtol:
    -Make sure you get 2-Naphtol make sure the number TWO is there as there is also 1-Naphtol which is a different substance and won't work.
    -It ain't controlled or corrosive so you can well order it online from a chemical company.
    i.e.
    2-Naphthol 130109
     
  7. master.on

    master.on Member

    I apologize for the confusion, this is the main study link:
    https://do4a.com/attachments/jfs372920488-pdf.16983/
    THIS IS GOLD!


    Liebermann reagent is available on Amazon:



    Also on dancesafe:
    Products |

    It mentions extracting steroids from oils:
    Extraction
    For oil-based pharmaceutical steroids, extraction was necessary for proper analysis. A
    1:2:1 ratio of steroid:hexane:methanol was used. First, hexane was added to the steroid
    followed by methanol. After addition of each reagent, the mixture was mixed in a vortex
    mixer. The mixture was then centrifuged to aid in phase separation. The methanol layer,
    containing the steroid, was then removed and used in instrumental analysis and TLC.


    Remember that Labmax used to have some kits designed for oils and some for tabs, so it may be better to do the extraction for best results.

    You can cheaply buy PURE Methanol either on Amazon or Ebay:
    i.e.


    And Hexane:



    Remember that Alcohol (Methanol) even when pure and Oils don't mix so you'll need to shake or mix them really hard.
    Both Methanol and Hexane evaporate quicly so there won't be any residues to interfere with testing.

    2-Naphtol and concentrated Sulfuric Acid remain elusive for mail order.
    1 You'll need to order 2-Naphtol from a specialized chemical company. It looks like there's no way around it. It ain't a controlled substance at all.
    2 For concentrated Sulfuric Acid you can either see if you buy it locally (you only need a few mL). Or you can mail order it from chemical companies:
    Sulfuric acid 258105


    Again sorry for the link mistake and happy testing.
     
  8. master.on

    master.on Member

    I've been busy now
    but I'm working in a color chart
    to spot common chemicals in Labmax and Roid Test
    Stay tuned...
     
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  9. MythotiK

    MythotiK Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

  10. master.on

    master.on Member

    What did you mean?
     
  11. fit2beking

    fit2beking Member


    He tagged @flenser the resident tester/guru so he can get his input on what you posted.
     
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  12. mercury

    mercury Member

    just let me cut here, we had this discussion before,

    labmax works on UV light and this is not the same.

    as far as I remember drug test do not require UV light they only work on some color change.
     
  13. flenser

    flenser Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I messed around with the chemicals for a while. I wasn't careful enough with the hcl, ruined a counter top, and got some under a fingernail that didn't start hurting for hours - then felt like being stung by ants for a couple of weeks. Plastic syringes melt when you use them to mix things together, etc. I'm sure with some motivation you could come up with the supplies and procedures to get good results. I just didn't take it serious enough.
     
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  14. flenser

    flenser Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    There are a lot of patents posted online concerned with hormone detection, and many of them use UV light to detect chemical reactions. I found a lot of useful information there back when I was playing with this stuff. Someone with more interest than me (and a chemistry background that isn't decades old and unused) could probably come up with reagents similar to Labmax.
     
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  15. master.on

    master.on Member

    tnx, didn't know bout him

    I found some really interesting studies and technical papers that do mention UV for Sulfuric Acid and Naphtol.
    Too bad they don't include many steroids we use.

    I agree that the chemicals are nasty.
    Probably why Sulfuric Acid ain't sold by mail, and why Labmax kits come in a vial to avoid spills.

    I'm making a color chart to for way easier interpretation
    More to come
     
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  16. flenser

    flenser Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Try adding testosterone or steroid ABUSE to your searches. WADA may be a blight on the sports world, but they did drive a lot of detection research.
     
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  17. mercury

    mercury Member

    FlenSer Advanced Steroids Tesk Kit
     
  18. master.on

    master.on Member

    Since you guys need to be spoon-fed
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    LOL


    Here's the compilation
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    All with an Excel table with colors and everything

    I included study data, some nice Meso and reddit user tests, and tried to make sense out of ecstasydata: I only used non-faked, matched mandelin, and some intuition.

    Let's hope it helps and keep experimenting yourself and post results here.
    I don't know and don't care if we will reverse engineer LM, but seven reagents are better than 2!


    Merc and other LM shills please don't even chime in
    and if you do please clarify if LM keeps customers records for the DEA, and why no PayPal or btc's are accepted? paper/digital trail tracing?
     
  19. master.on

    master.on Member

    More updates soon, stay tuned

    While I'm not really trying to reverse engineer LabMax or Roid'Test (yet?)
    this gives 6 reagents to test with
    1 Sulfuric Acid
    2 Sulfuric Acid + Naphtol
    3 Lieberman's Reagent
    4 Mandelin's Reagent
    5 Marquis Reagent
    6 Mecke Reagent
     
  20. mercury

    mercury Member

    he is just plain idiot for the money you spend on glassware, chemicals, accessories, setting up a bench you can send for testing to Simec, cost less.

    plus you need to be chemist
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2017