Measuring Basal Body Temperature.

Discussion in 'Men's Health Forum' started by pmgamer18, Dec 17, 2006.

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    pmgamer18

    pmgamer18 Junior Member

    I found this to be a good read full of good info. Looks like even after you reach you right dose of Armour it can take up to a year for your Basal Body Temp's to come up.
    Phil

    http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=Article&ID=528

    Measuring Basal Body Temperature
    Instructions for taking basal body temperatures are relatively easy. Use an oral glass thermometer. Shake the thermometer down before going to bed, and leave it on the bedside table within easy reach. Immediately upon awakening, and with as little movement as possible, place the thermometer firmly in the armpit next to the skin, and leave it in place for 10 minutes. Record the readings for three consecutive days. Menstruating women must only take the basal temperature test for thyroid function on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th day of menses(preferably beginning on the 2nd day). Males, pre-pubertal girls, and post-menopausal or non-menstruating women may take basal temperatures any day of the month. Women taking progesterone should not take it the day before and the days that the basal temperatures are taken.

    Most of the information on the manifestations of hypothyroidism, its diagnosis, including the technique for measuring and interpreting basal temperatures, and the treatment to be discussed was compiled and described by the late Dr. Broda O. Barnes. He is the author of the book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness. His work is disseminated to physicians and the public by the foundation bearing his name, which is located in Trumbull, Connecticut.

    How does one interpret the results of the basal body axillary temperature test? If the average temperature is below 97.8 Fahrenheit, then the diagnosis of a low functioning thyroid system is likely. An average temperature between 97.8 and 98.2 is considered normal. An average temperature above 98.2 is considered high and might reflect an infection or a hyperthyroid condition.



    Treatment of Hypothyroidism
    Once a pattern of hypothyroid symptoms is established and the basal body temperatures are found to be low, the next step is a therapeutic trial of thyroid hormone. Dr. Barnes, his physician followers and many patients have found that the most effective thyroid medication is Armour Desiccated Thyroid Hormone. This medication is derived from the thyroid gland of the pig. It most closely resembles the human thyroid gland. It is dried or desiccated and processed into small tablets. In contrast, most conventional physicians prefer to use the synthetically produced thyroxine or T4. In my experience and the experience of many other physicians using Dr. Barnes' protocol, the synthetic T4 is not as effective as the desiccated thyroid.

    How can we monitor the results of treatment if the blood tests are inadequate to the job? We do this by how the person feels, whether or not the thyroid symptoms and signs have improved or disappeared, whether or not symptoms of an overactive thyroid gland have developed, and by monitoring the basal body temperature.

    Generally, the dosage of Armour thyroid is best started at a low dose, with a gradual increase every week or two, until the optimal therapeutic dosage is reached. It may take four to six weeks at the optimal dosage to feel the full therapeutic benefits. In my practice, I generally start the patient on 1/4 grain or 15 milligrams daily. Every week or two, I increase the dosage by 1/4 grain per day until 1 to 2 grains daily are reached. Usually, the optimal dosage is in this range, provided that the patient is doing the other adjunctive necessary things, which I will discuss in a moment. Occasionally, the dosage may need to be 2 and a half grains daily or more. Full therapeutic benefits many not be fully realized for months and the basal temperatures may not come up to normal for a year or more. The dosage for infants is usually 1/8 to 1/4 grain daily and from one to six years old, the dosage is usually 1/4 grain. From 7 years to puberty, 1/2 grain is usually used, but it may need to be increased.
     
  2. #2
    JanSz

    JanSz Junior Member

    With this tempo, it takes 8 weeks or more to reach plato on 2 grains dosage.
    1 | 0.25 | 1-7
    2 | 0.50 | 8-15
    3 | 0.75 | 16-21
    4 | 1.00 | 22-28
    5 | 1.25 | 29-35
    6 | 1.50 | 36-42
    7 | 1.75 | 43-49
    8 | 2.00 | 50-56

    Dr Marianco starts on 1/2 or even one grain.
    Better described here:
    http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/499687-post50.html
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  3. #3
    pmgamer18

    pmgamer18 Junior Member

    And then you need to hold at that dose for 4 to 6 weeks before going higher.
     
  4. #4
    Andrew Androgen

    Andrew Androgen Junior Member

    Would starting off on 1/4 grain twice a day in the first week, then increasing the dose by 1/4 grain each week (dosing 3 times a day) work for most people?
     
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    pmgamer18

    pmgamer18 Junior Member

    I started at 45 mgs and every 2 weeks upped the dose 15mgs until I got up to 2.5 grains. I now do one grain in the morning and one at noon and 30 mgs at dinner. I am holding at this for 6 weeks then I will test and see If I need more.

    So yes this would be a good start 1/4 2 x's a day.

    Here is a cut and paste of a post on how I got started treating my adrenals and thyroid.

    Bill sorry to hear you have this problem your cortisol is lower then my first test I was 8. The ACTH Stim test will show if it's you Adrenals or your Pituitary not sending the message ACTH to your Adrenals to make Cortisol. Here is a link to Chris's Explaination of the ACTH test you need to read this I have seen posts where Dr.'s did it wrong. You need to be sure you understand about this test and how to read it.
    http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=288.

    Most people find out they have low cortisol because they have a low Thyroid Problem one needs cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone from the blood to the cells. If there cortisol is low do to Adrenal Fatigue there is not enough cortisol to do this and as they up there meds they start to feel hyper because the hormone is going to high in the blood and not being carried to the cells. One big cause of Adrenal Fatigue is a low Thyroid the Adrenals work over time to bring up levels of thyroid and become fatigued.

    Now we are finding a lot of men with low T had Adrenal Fatigue do to the stress of low T be it from the fatigue of low T or the high Estradiol. But it's dam odd that as men hear about this and are not feeling 100% on TRT that after a blood test there cortisol levels are low.

    The first thing I did was to try and figure out what stage of Adrenal Fatigue I was at and it looked like stage 3.
    http://www.chronicfatigue.org/Selye large.html

    Then I went to this site and printed out a chart for tracking your body's temps. I would take it under my arm before getting out of bed for 10 min.'s if it is under 97.8 you have a thyroid problem my temps that I did were for 4 morning and then I did an avg. it was 95.8.
    http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions
    Using this to take my temps it is also sold at Wall-Greens and Wal-mart.
    http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

    Then after I was up for 3 hrs I took my temp every 3 hrs 3 to 4 times a day and did an avg. My avg. was low between 96.8 to 97.6 and each day was up or down this is Adrenal Fatigue.

    I then ordered a Saliva Test through this link.
    http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/
    From the Canary Club for about $140.00 this is the best way to test cortisol levels and DHEA.

    Then I bought the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st. Century by Wilson. This book was a big help in understanding this problem but doing what he said to treat it with stuff like this did nothing to my temp chart. It has this in it Pituitary Extract (Freeze-Dried) 120 mg
    Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg and cortisol but you have no idea how much.
    http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html
    Also he said to do B Vit.s.
    http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html
    Vit. C
    http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html
    Everyone with low Cortisol has low DHEA I take this 2 a day.
    http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html
    I take 3 grams of a good brand of Fish OIL. I buy mine at Coscos (spelling) I get the one that is coated so you don't burp it up.
    And there is Maca this helps keep your Adrenal hormones leveled. I was off this for 30 days and just went back on it I feel better on this. I do 1/2 tsp 2 x's a day. This is the best price and product on he web.
    http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-Powder

    I dropped the Adrenal cortex
    http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html
    It did nothing.

    I got some Isocort and started on it it is made from sheep adrenal's and wow the first pill made me feel good you need to start this slow. I did 4 pills = 10mgs. of cortisol first thing in the morning with food and 2 pills = 5mgs. of cortisol at noon and dinner. This changed my chart my temps come up to 98.4 to 99 but still up and down if your avg. is up or down from day to day more then .2 tenths your cortisol is still to low. I followed this to get started.
    http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat
    My Dr. would not give me Hydrocortisone said it's not safe to use. So I got this book by Dr. Jefferies "Safe Uses of Cortisol"
    http://members.aol.com/jefferiesw/
    http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X
    Showed this to my Dr. and he blew it off and pissed me off.
    I got up to 120mgs of Armour and could not do more my charting even showed my Adrenals were not right to go higher. So I switched to HC and stated with 10mgs. in the morning wow in less then a week my temps were a straight line across at 98.6 first time in 8 months of charting things were looking good and I was feeling better. So if you need to treat your Adrenals the best place for help is Val. at this link.
    http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewforum.php?f=5
    Most of the people posting there are Thyroid and Adrenal Fatigue but she helps for Adrenals only too. Do get your thyroid checked have the TSH, Free T4 and Free t3 checked and post them to her.
     
  6. #6
    wildfox

    wildfox Junior Member

    Dear Phil,

    This is not true.

    My doctors suspect that a lack of a certain enzyme (11-beta-HSD) causes my adrenals to create excess DHEA and not enough Cortisol, which leads to more ACTH which leads to more DHEA and still not enough Cortisol, leading to adrenal burnout.

    Basically if one has [edit] Secondary adrenal insufficiency (due to lack of ACTH...the signal from the pituitary to produce Cortisol AND DHEA), then it may be true that low cortisol correlates to low DHEA.

    WF
     
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2006
  7. #7
    pmgamer18

    pmgamer18 Junior Member

    Thanks I learn something new everyday. This must be what my Dr. was talking about people with Pituitary Problems.
     

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