MK677 & CJC w/dac LOG!!

Im going to log my mk677 (ibutamaren) & CJC run here!
I have been very interested in mk677 and the possibilities of a peptide stack that would allow for reduced pinning yet still providing an effective GH/IGF increase. With the reduced pinning a cjc w/dac offers along with the oral method of administration that mk677 provides this stack has the potential to fit the bill. I am not plodding in haphazardly here. I have been looking into mk for quite a long time as my thoughts on oral GH secretagogues has always been that they are garbage but mk677 has the data to support the contention that it is actually and orally effective GHRP, which is pretty exciting to me.
My dosages will be as follows:
mk677- 25mg/day, before bed. 5 days on, 2 days off.
CJC w/ dac- 250mcg injected sub q, e3d, also before bed.
Im probably going to throw in some horny goat weed and green tea extract to prevent GHIH from increasing but I am only doing so because I have a boatload of both of those supplements. I think running the compounds I am and running the mk 5 on, 2 off would negate the necessity of using those 2 supps I also think adding them sure wont hurt.
My first use of this run will be tonight. As far as how long I plan on running this, well I have about 12 weeks worth of mk which I think is long enough to see if this is worth continuing. I have plenty of cjc w/dac so thats not a factor in the length of this run at all. So It will be at least a 12 week run and if it is proving effective then it will likely turn into 6 months before I take a month or 2 off from the stack.
Please follow along and all input is welcome!
 

rocko

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do you know your baseline igf-1 ? bloodwork is the best indicator determining how much baseline igf-1 level is elevated. trow in a somatostatin inhibitor, 400mg hyperzine a and 400mg egcg twice a day. I will be experimenting cjc 1295 with dac, hyperzine a, egcg for 5 months. my baseline igf-1 is 195. I will do blood work done again after 5 months.
 
do you know your baseline igf-1 ? bloodwork is the best indicator determining how much baseline igf-1 level is elevated. trow in a somatostatin inhibitor, 400mg hyperzine a and 400mg egcg twice a day. I will be experimenting cjc 1295 with dac, hyperzine a, egcg for 5 months. my baseline igf-1 is 195. I will do blood work done again after 5 months.

Im taking the HGW and GTE to help inhibit GHIH thats about as far as I am going to go with somatostatin inhibition. I did baseline BW last week & ill post my #'s tomorrow am/early afternoon.
 

rocko

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I will be following you and also post my results. I stocked up from geopeptide since they are giving 50% off. i'll be running 1.5mg DAC per week. do you think I should I should use more than 1.5mg of dac ?
 
You should be very happy with the mk at 25mg. Might even take in down a little. I found 19mg is to be better with less bloat. Keep the water intake high to keep the bloat off
I've been on Ipamorelin and CJC for 2-3 weeks, and two days ago added MK into the mix. My primary goal was to fix lingering tendon issues (lower biceps tendon, medial forearm tendons) and it feels like they are getting better. My skin has gotten much nicer too.

Here's my question, it seems like this packs on weight? Or bloat? I've upped my protein shakes after adding MK and in general I'm much more hungry now, really hungry. Hard to not eat too much. I was shocked this morning, I'm tipping the scales at almost 200. BF about the same, but I can't be adding muscles this fast, I don't know what's going on.

I'll try to really monitor carbs, and up the cardio work. I'll use up my remaining Ipa, then continue with MK and CJC. Give it another 2 weeks then take a 2 week break. My doctor suggested cycling the peptides that way so as to not dull the system.
 
I've been on Ipamorelin and CJC for 2-3 weeks, and two days ago added MK into the mix. My primary goal was to fix lingering tendon issues (lower biceps tendon, medial forearm tendons) and it feels like they are getting better. My skin has gotten much nicer too.

Here's my question, it seems like this packs on weight? Or bloat? I've upped my protein shakes after adding MK and in general I'm much more hungry now, really hungry. Hard to not eat too much. I was shocked this morning, I'm tipping the scales at almost 200. BF about the same, but I can't be adding muscles this fast, I don't know what's going on.

I'll try to really monitor carbs, and up the cardio work. I'll use up my remaining Ipa, then continue with MK and CJC. Give it another 2 weeks then take a 2 week break. My doctor suggested cycling the peptides that way so as to not dull the system.

I have heard many reports of water retention with mk, thats probably what you are encountering. Taking Ipam and mk together, although neither seperately are supposed to effect appetite like say GHRP6, I bet together, just being 2 GHRPs, is compounding the hunder effect for you. Bet when you drop the Ipam the hunger will subside a bit as well.
 
OK - Thanks for following along gents.
I had some baseline BW drawn and as soon as I get the results Ill post them here. I really wanted to get some concrete #'s with this stack and get some facts on what it really does.

9/2/2015: So last night was my first use. The MK677 is dosed at 25mg/ml and has a really strong peppermint flavor. Took 25mg (1ml) and then I pinned (sub q) a tad over 250mcg of the cjc w/dac. I didnt really notice anything. I slept like a log but I was exhausted last night and I dont think it had anything to do with what I took. I took some Green Tea Extract and Horny Goat Weed this am. Ill be taking both of those supps 3x/day. Thats prob gonna be the hardest part- remembering to take the supps.
I am really happy to have gotten this started. Ill be updating regularly.
 
Hard to isolate effects while I'm on the stack, but it hits within 60 seconds after pinning CJC and Ipa. Kind of a warm hand around the neck, pulsing in the ears, and across the temples towards the eyes. The MK I'll have to assess more when I'm just on that and CJC. Ceretropics peptide powders certainly feel legit. Wow, strong hit as I write this.
 
My goal with this log is 2 fold.
1- Im going to get some concrete numbers. I have pre use blood work where I will be posting my HGH & IGF numbers. I will be drawing bloods 6-7 weeks in as well. I want to see the data on this stack and what it does.
2- This is most important. I want to see what the increases in HGH & IGF actually translate too. I am confident I will get an increase in both but what will that mean as far as real world results? Will it just improve my sense of well being and sleep? Will it do that plus improve my skin, hair and nails? Will it do those things plus burn body fat? Will it do all 3 aforementioned plus build lean body mass? Get my point? I want to know and judge on real world effects not numbers but I also was interested in seeing the numbers as well.
So many people judge on the wrong things. ie: oh it raised my igf 55 pts- ho cares if that doesnt translate to any measurable effects? Quite often increases do not. Look at test boosters or even serms. Serms can significantly increase your T levels but that increase does not equate to any change in body composition unless your have low T. I want to know what this stuff will really do.
Also I dont like judging anything via sides. Like not to bash the above post but I dont care if I get flushed or I get numb fingers etc. That means nothing to me. What does means something is actual results. By measuring hgh & igf in a statistical manner I can guage this stacks physiological effects and by logging the run I can guage real world results. Those 2 thing together will tell me both product quality aand effectiveness and THAT is what really matters.
 

jp4355

Member
I just finished a run with MK-677 and Pharma-Grade T-4.
I tried all the different dosing combinations.
All in the AM, all in the PM, half AM & half PM.
For me All in the AM worked the best, and I didn't get Lethargic in the afternoon as some have reported.

I did however notice a Big increase in Appetite.
Also a lot of Edema around my Wrists/Hands/Ankles.

I actually measured my Wrists and had almost a 1 1/2" increase in Circumference.
Hands were Very Puffy, but not Painful.
Fingers got to big to wear my Rings, and I couldn't wear my Good Watch as the band was sized by a Jeweler.

Noticed very good recovery, and a pump that lasted all day also............... JP
P.S.
Good Luck with your Run.

Post Edit:
I forgot.
I was doing 25 Mg a day for 30 days.
 

ebkallday

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I just finished a run with MK-677 and Pharma-Grade T-4.
I tried all the different dosing combinations.
All in the AM, all in the PM, half AM & half PM.
For me All in the AM worked the best, and I didn't get Lethargic in the afternoon as some have reported.

I did however notice a Big increase in Appetite.
Also a lot of Edema around my Wrists/Hands/Ankles.

I actually measured my Wrists and had almost a 1 1/2" increase in Circumference.
Hands were Very Puffy, but not Painful.
Fingers got to big to wear my Rings, and I couldn't wear my Good Watch as the band was sized by a Jeweler.

Noticed very good recovery, and a pump that lasted all day also............... JP
P.S.
Good Luck with your Run.

Post Edit:
I forgot.
I was doing 25 Mg a day for 30 days.
Did the size of your wrist and finger return to normal after you discontinued use?
 
JP, did you notice a change in skin tone right around the point of injection? I've shot BP-500 and MK-677 into the lower part of my biceps (tendon issues) and in a 5" circle around the point of injection, the skin has done a bit of a "Michael Jackson" - whitened a bit (lost my tan?) and seems smoother?

Also, my arms (including forearms) feel a bit pumped.

I'm sticking to this for 2 weeks, then I'll let you know what impact this had on my biceps tendonitis.
 
9/3/2015: So last night I took 25mg MK677 before bed. I also remembered to take my Horny Goat Weed and Green Tea Extract 3x yesterday. Woke up this am and took my HGW & GTE right along with my daily cialis, daily NAC and my multi. Once again I slept great last night but similar to the day before I was pretty wiped out so I sure cant say it had anything to do with the MK677 I took or the CJC I pinned the day before. Pretty boring update but i know this is going to take some time. Thanks for following!
 

jp4355

Member
JP, did you notice a change in skin tone right around the point of injection? I've shot BP-500 and MK-677 into the lower part of my biceps (tendon issues) and in a 5" circle around the point of injection, the skin has done a bit of a "Michael Jackson" - whitened a bit (lost my tan?) and seems smoother?

Also, my arms (including forearms) feel a bit pumped.

I'm sticking to this for 2 weeks, then I'll let you know what impact this had on my biceps tendonitis.

Let me get this Correctly.
You were Injecting MK-677 ?

I thought that it was only for Oral Ingestion.

As for the TB-500, I'm assuming your BP-500 is a Typo.
I never had any Discoloration around the Injection Site.
Or especially Loss of Skin Pigment.......................... JP
P.S.
The Pump you feel would be from the MK-677.
At least I got a Pump in the Muscle that I worked that would last for Days.
 
Let me get this Correctly.
You were Injecting MK-677 ?

I thought that it was only for Oral Ingestion.

As for the TB-500, I'm assuming your BP-500 is a Typo.
I never had any Discoloration around the Injection Site.
Or especially Loss of Skin Pigment.......................... JP
P.S.
The Pump you feel would be from the MK-677.
At least I got a Pump in the Muscle that I worked that would last for Days.

I'm glad you're paying attention - I wasn't. Sorry. Too many peptides with odd letter and number combos. (I do pay attention to the dosage though) Typing on the phone from memory clearly didn't work.

Yes, I take MK-677 orally, and inject TB500 as well as BPC-157 directly into the lower part of the biceps (as close as I think I can safely get).

The discoloration was extremely noticeable this morning - I took pictures of it. Seems gone now - maybe it was the reverse, the surrounding area darkened/flushed temporarily?

IMG_20150903_133038.jpg IMG_20150903_133009.jpg
 

jp4355

Member
I've never had that Discoloration.
I've also done BPC-157, though not at the same time as TB-500............. JP
P.S.
Looks like an Irritation possibly caused by whatever you're using to Reconstitute with.
Are you using BA water or 0.09% Sodium Chloride.
BA water causes me a little irritation.
I like the 0.09% Sodium Chloride better.
 

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