My 1st cycle, opinions and advices welcome

[littledeerxd]

Personally

I'm contemplating between 250 and 500 per week.

Also match that with primo maybe? 1:1 ratio. Since primo acts as an aromatase inhibitor

 

[SippinCoffee]

250-500 test per week split into 2 dosages likely won't need an AI. Maybe at 500 for some people but not super likely. I'd suggest to be at 350 or 400 per week.

 

[SippinCoffee]

im gonna do like that i think, but what dosage then? Stick with 200 per week or increase a bit?

Increase. 350-400. But split it into 2 doses every 3-4 days.

 

[grey]

im gonna do like that i think, but what dosage then? Stick with 200 per week or increase a bit?

200 per week is sort of between TRT and a full cycle. would you make gains? yes, you would.

If your diet and training is no bullshit on point though a higher test dose will give a bit more results.

if your diet and training are NOT on point it wont matter.

 

[EazyE]

200 per week is sort of between TRT and a full cycle. would you make gains? yes, you would.

If your diet and training is no bullshit on point though a higher test dose will give a bit more results.

if your diet and training are NOT on point it wont matter.

I would just use 300mg/wk of test. As a starting point that will do everything you need along with proper training, diet and lifestyle factors. Run that for 12 weeks and evaluate your progress. Get your bloodwork and understand how the use of AAS impacts your health. Again, better to start with 1 compound to truly understand how this journey goes. And know that for many there is no getting off this train despite planned best intentions. You will know what I mean after 12 weeks…

 

[littledeerxd]

I would just use 300mg/wk of test. As a starting point that will do everything you need along with proper training, diet and lifestyle factors. Run that for 12 weeks and evaluate your progress. Get your bloodwork and understand how the use of AAS impacts your health. Again, better to start with 1 compound to truly understand how this journey goes. And know that for many there is no getting off this train despite planned best intentions. You will know what I mean after 12 weeks…

Why is it so? Why can't u go back to natty? Just curious

 

[Rido]

Why is it so? Why can't u go back to natty? Just curious

Once you do that first injection. Technically you are never natty

 

[grey]

Why is it so? Why can't u go back to natty? Just curious

if you are on long enough your natural production levels become more and more difficult to get back.

This varies but for some the permanent drop in levels basically makes it impossible to go back.

this is also why TRT doctors (the good ones) will ensure you know that TRT is considered a lifetime treatment. You don't generally come back off.

 

[littledeerxd]

if you are on long enough your natural production levels become more and more difficult to get back.

This varies but for some the permanent drop in levels basically makes it impossible to go back.

this is also why TRT doctors (the good ones) will ensure you know that TRT is considered a lifetime treatment. You don't generally come back off.

What is the long enough ur talking of? 12weeks?

Because I'm trying to do one cycle and try not to do any more...I'm in my 20s with a natty test level of 980.

If I go with 500 test 400 primo for 12weeks do u think I'll have to be on trt for life? I know it's something I should decide for myself but I'm just trying to make the right decisions

 

[littledeerxd]

Once you do that first injection. Technically you are never natty

I'm talking about going back to not using test anymore. I'm not talking about the definitions

 

[grey]

What is the long enough ur talking of? 12weeks?

no single answer here. can you do a single cycle and come back? yes. Will you fully recover? that is far less certain.
some come back fully and others take what seems to be a significant permament drop in average levels.

I'm in my 20s with a natty test level of 980.

if you are 20 with levels at 980 and not gaining, then the hormones are in now way the bottleneck.


your diet and training are the issues.

 

[MountainBaby]

^this all day

There is so, so much to be accomplished still before diving into AAS. Learn how to legitimately push yourself in the gym. Learn how to recover. Learn how to program macros.

You’ve got the foundation for it (age and high test). Don’t hide from the work.

 

[Aman2127]

Hi here is my 1st planning "cycle"
Generally i will be staying on higher doses of test enan propably for the rest of my life cause of my genetically low T which is around 380-400 (yeah try to eat healthy, do sports, do not drink bla bla bla i do such lifestyle for my entire life so there is no way solve this problem naturally in my case). But for some time i would like to "blast" a little bit with other compounds to get this lean shredded shape for holidays .
1. test enan 200mg (2x100 monday, thursday) all the time as i mentioned above.
2. oxandrolone 20-30 mg each day, 8-12 weeks (my bf before starting ox will be about 15-17%)
3.masterone 100-150mg (im gonna add this compound when i finish with anavar, or add it after 6-8 weeks and fly with this compound for next maybe 8 weeks, my bf will be about 12% (maybe less). I heard that above 12% of bf there is no reason to add masterone cause of lack of benefits.
When i finish my master i return to my trt.

My daily supplementation: fish oil 5g, NAC 1,5, liv52 3 pills, d3 4000iu, wit C 1g, B-complex (nac and liv52 only while taking oxa). Of course during whole cycle i will be taking 500iu of Hcg separated into 2x250 weekly.

What do you think guys about this idea? What would you alter if you were me? Do you think that im gonna need some AI while taking masterone and oxa together? Im asking cause i heard that there are people who do not need anything like that while taking such amount of dht derivatives compared to this actually small amount of test. Thanks for attention, CY@

I'm also just started my first cycle.... like today lol test e and I plan to do the same 100mg twice a week for now to see how it goes. If I'm not impressed in a couple weeks I'll bump up maybe to 300mg a week. I'm curious to see how your cycle goes with your stack. I'm also doing rad140 10mg. Trying to play it safe for now since I'm a virgin here.

 

[DS352]

Same here, I am older than you both but see no reason to go with larger doses before finding out what 200/wk does for me.

 

[Big_paul]

Hi here is my 1st planning "cycle"
Generally i will be staying on higher doses of test enan propably for the rest of my life cause of my genetically low T which is around 380-400 (yeah try to eat healthy, do sports, do not drink bla bla bla i do such lifestyle for my entire life so there is no way solve this problem naturally in my case). But for some time i would like to "blast" a little bit with other compounds to get this lean shredded shape for holidays .
1. test enan 200mg (2x100 monday, thursday) all the time as i mentioned above.
2. oxandrolone 20-30 mg each day, 8-12 weeks (my bf before starting ox will be about 15-17%)
3.masterone 100-150mg (im gonna add this compound when i finish with anavar, or add it after 6-8 weeks and fly with this compound for next maybe 8 weeks, my bf will be about 12% (maybe less). I heard that above 12% of bf there is no reason to add masterone cause of lack of benefits.
When i finish my master i return to my trt.

My daily supplementation: fish oil 5g, NAC 1,5, liv52 3 pills, d3 4000iu, wit C 1g, B-complex (nac and liv52 only while taking oxa). Of course during whole cycle i will be taking 500iu of Hcg separated into 2x250 weekly.

What do you think guys about this idea? What would you alter if you were me? Do you think that im gonna need some AI while taking masterone and oxa together? Im asking cause i heard that there are people who do not need anything like that while taking such amount of dht derivatives compared to this actually small amount of test. Thanks for attention, CY@

I like it.

 

[OmL]

Shouldn’t we be helping this guy?

Like criddi says. Just testosterone first. Just. Testosterone.

 

[Demondosage]

If it helps I gained 23 lbs of mass on my first cycle and it was an old school pyramid cycle with a single vial of test

 

[Aman2127]

If it helps I gained 23 lbs of mass on my first cycle and it was an old school pyramid cycle with a single vial of test

Holy shit man did you keep it all? I would think at least half of that would be water.

 

[Demondosage]

Holy shit man did you keep it all? I would think at least half of that would be water.

Nope, lost most when I came off. I did not look watery, I just looked much larger. But I made training and eating my job that 8 weeks

 

[musclesiege]

I agree with Cridi and others. Do test only, I’m all for a conservative approach but 200 is too low. You said you’re around 400 test, depending on your response 200 will put you around 1000 so you’ll feel it and it will help your body be more efficient at adding muscle and/or losing fat. If you want to get to superphysiological levels you’ll need a minimum of 250-300. What I did was start at 350 for a couple weeks and all was well then bumped to 500 for the next 12 weeks and it was golden. If you want to try var I’d add it the last 6-8 weeks IF you really want to try it.