Daman2127

Junior Member
Hey guys newer member here but have been reading alot of posts and educating myself on this.
Stats:
37 yrs
6ft
245
15% bf
56 inch chest
21 inch arms
36 inch waist
Current meds: Dr prescribed
Test c 200mg a week
Hgh 6iu 5 days a week with Thursday and Saturday off- turned to pink top gen way cheaper sane result for me.
Gym:
5 days a week alternating weeks of strength building and high intensity cardio between reps.
Diet:
Ketogenic high carbs below 20g a day.
Body:
Strength is good energy levels are great. My doc has pres me test and hgh due to very low levels.

Cycle goal:
Trim body cut muscles without losing anymore size and muscle tissue.

Preliminary cycle thought: 8weeks
Sustanon (all 4 tests in one 250mg per ML) 650mg week-2 injections 375mg every Sunday and weds
Hgh 6iu every 5 days- no change here
Tren A 100mg EOD

I know I want to complete a cutting cycle but don't know if I can get whinny or anavar.
So I'm looking for advice on if this is a good cutting cycle or should I add something else. Not very familiar with PCT and I don't even know if I can get it. Let me know your thoughts as I have described in detail what I have seen many people not do.

Let the education begin
 

Savagesteve

Member
That cycle is too far advanced for me to comment on (I'm fairly new to the game) but I didn't see any mention of an ai such as arimadex or aromasin to combat any estrogen sides. Also you will need a pct and don't start any cycle without pct and ai in pharma grade on hand. Look through the underground and there are a few sources with pharma ai and pct. as far as pct goes a lot of guys including myself run both clomid and nolvadex.
 

RodgerThat

Member
That cycle is too far advanced for me to comment on (I'm fairly new to the game) but I didn't see any mention of an ai such as arimadex or aromasin to combat any estrogen sides. Also you will need a pct and don't start any cycle without pct and ai in pharma grade on hand. Look through the underground and there are a few sources with pharma ai and pct. as far as pct goes a lot of guys including myself run both clomid and nolvadex.

Okay wrong, he doesn't need a PCT he's on doctor prescribed TRT so he just goes back to his trt dosage. He's already on the hgh also doctor prescribed so it's not new to him.

Now OP here's the thing you are on trt so use whatever ester your trt is don't use sust. You use test c so up your trt dose from 200mg ew to 600mg ew for 10 weeks then just go back to the 200mg I would suggest still using the 200mg pharma you get from your doc and 400mg UGL or if you can horde the extra pharma stuff great. I'm assuming your doc has you on adex or asin for an anti estrogen already? If so just use that compound but up it a tad depending how your bloods turn out. make sure you have either nolva or rolax on hand in case of gyno symptoms even though you won't need it for pct. final thing a cut cycle isn't decided on the compounds but how many calories you eat so you don't need to add anything else just eat less food.
 

Dw725

Member
@RodgerThat why is sust a problem?
I don't think it would really be a problem as much of a hassle. I've never ran sust but I hear so many conflicting opinions on how often to pin it, when to draw bloods for labs, what kind of peaks to expect. I see where rt is coming from in still using the 200 mg per week of pharma he already has. Again, I have no experience with sust so feel free to correctme if I'm totally off base. I do have some on hand that I plan on using in the future so the educating will be appreciated
 

RodgerThat

Member
@RodgerThat why is sust a problem?

It's not a problem but why use a different ester that ideally needs to be shot more frequently then 2x a week because of the short esters in it when he's on cyp already? Just increase the cyp with a slight frontload and his levels will be stable within 3 weeks for the 400mg increase and then all he has to do is go back to his trt dosage after 10 weeks and there won't be any crazy fluctuations. Just my thinking I like to keep it as simple as possible
 

Savagesteve

Member
Okay wrong, he doesn't need a PCT he's on doctor prescribed TRT so he just goes back to his trt dosage. He's already on the hgh also doctor prescribed so it's not new to him.

Now OP here's the thing you are on trt so use whatever ester your trt is don't use sust. You use test c so up your trt dose from 200mg ew to 600mg ew for 10 weeks then just go back to the 200mg I would suggest still using the 200mg pharma you get from your doc and 400mg UGL or if you can horde the extra pharma stuff great. I'm assuming your doc has you on adex or asin for an anti estrogen already? If so just use that compound but up it a tad depending how your bloods turn out. make sure you have either nolva or rolax on hand in case of gyno symptoms even though you won't need it for pct. final thing a cut cycle isn't decided on the compounds but how many calories you eat so you don't need to add anything else just eat less food.
You're right my bad I forgot reading that he was on trt so no use for pct.
 

Big_paul

Member
AnabolicLab.com Supporter
It's not a problem but why use a different ester that ideally needs to be shot more frequently then 2x a week because of the short esters in it when he's on cyp already? Just increase the cyp with a slight frontload and his levels will be stable within 3 weeks for the 400mg increase and then all he has to do is go back to his trt dosage after 10 weeks and there won't be any crazy fluctuations. Just my thinking I like to keep it as simple as possible
I don't use sust. I don't like to use blended esters. It's easier to time pct, but in this case sustanon would work well, also you don't need to inject more than 2 times a week because of the blend of long and short chain esters. The test decanoate can't screw up pct as he is on trt as you mentioned.

I'm just feeling argumentative.
 

RodgerThat

Member
I don't use sust. I don't like to use blended esters. It's easier to time pct, but in this case sustanon would work well, also you don't need to inject more than 2 times a week because of the blend of long and short chain esters. The test decanoate can't screw up pct as he is on trt as you mentioned.

I'm just feeling argumentative.

I feel like 90% of that was agreeing with me anyways and nobody can ever come to an agreement on sust pin schedules or really any ester but sust is the most controversial I find. I don't do blends and I don't do mixes either if I want a mix I'll mix it myself in the pin the day of the shot otherwise I don't know what I'm getting and blends just seem weird to me I don't need all those things going on just give me one and call it good
 

Big_paul

Member
AnabolicLab.com Supporter
I feel like 90% of that was agreeing with me anyways and nobody can ever come to an agreement on sust pin schedules or really any ester but sust is the most controversial I find. I don't do blends and I don't do mixes either if I want a mix I'll mix it myself in the pin the day of the shot otherwise I don't know what I'm getting and blends just seem weird to me I don't need all those things going on just give me one and call it good
I'm with you on everything except injection protocol. I'm just feeling awnery today. :)
 

Daman2127

Junior Member
Thanks for all the feed back! I'm a bit confused on the ester? So are you saying no tren? Also my T levels with weekly 200mg is around 450. Pretty low but only a maintenance level. Won't the tren help cut the fat and keep my muscule tissue close to the same sized? Also do I mix tren and the test for 1 injection? Or 2 injection with separate chemicals?
 

RodgerThat

Member
:confused: Did i miss something here? When did anyone talk about tren and how the hell is 200mg ew giving you a TT of 450 things are not adding up. OP honestly asking questions is great but you need to develop a knowledge base first from research and reading and using the search bar so that when you ask questions the answers make sense and we don't have whatever this confusion is cause I'm lost now
 

Daman2127

Junior Member
Sorry your confused. The tren is part of the cycle I'm deciding to do or not. I thought it is an ester. The tt is 400 after 5 days injected. I blood work done every 3 months. I feel I have a pretty good knowledge and have done the search bar. Just a few items that I could not find the answer to. No biggie
 

RodgerThat

Member
My mistake I never saw you had tren down there. If this is your first time going into upper TT range or cycle then I'd say no tren as its not something needed. If you've cycled before then sure. The 400 count seems very low for for 5 days after a shot I'm no trt expert but I'd expect at least 800 TT with 200mg ew if not higher into the 1000
 

Daman2127

Junior Member
Yeah I hear ya, i believe the thought is when first pinned I'm great, then gradually it comes down. The GH helps sustain and elevate the test as well. That's why I'm not concerned with estrogen. My normal levels without HRT is around 150-200. I've been on hrt since I was 22, so 15 years of this. Does the tren sky rocket the T level?
 

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