whitesox95

Junior Member
Hey, I am a new poster on this website because I am unable to find solid information on my situation. So, when I was around 16 years old or so, almost 17, I asked an adult I knew for steroids and was warned, but ultimately given them. Before you call me stupid, I was completely unaware on the affects it could have.. only minor side effects.. Anyways, it was Winstrol (oral) at I believe 10mg per pill. I took it for about 3 weeks before I lost them. I was taking anywhere from 3-5 pills a day but on average 3. I noticed good strength and muscle gains, around 10 pounds. A week following, I got a major flu and was wiped out for a few days and lost it all which is about right lol.. I also took Test Freak (natural). I took no PCT afterwards either. So, fast forward 2 years and now I am 18. Last summer I suspected I had low testosterone as I read up on stuff in regards to my situation. I cannot recall any symptoms last year other than less frequent erections and maybe some fat retention? This year I can concretely say I am more tired, still retain fat, have trouble sleeping at times, less frequent erections, and hot flashes.. I hate the hot flashes. I had my first blood test last summer around 4 PM and the results came back... I HAD A TEST LEVEL OF 138! I didn't understand I was functioning...? 4 months later I got another blood test and my Test level came back at 13.8 through a different measurement between 7-28 or something like that. The test was in the morning so it was definitely higher because of that, but nonetheless LOW. I have went to an endo and I am not willing to do TRT because I want children and I am a recruit for college football. I was referred to a urologist and I am looking for a safer alternative such as clomid.. But, the funny this is, with my Test level so low and all... I am 6"3, 225 pounds hovering around 17-18 % body fat. I squat 445, bench 285, deadlift 495. So, I guess that is all quite good for my age? I work extremely hard and if I stop going to the gym for two weeks or even one, I lose it all. NOW THAT MY LIFE STORY IS OVER, MY MAIN QUESTION IS...

It looks as though I have permanently damaged/shut off my natural test production because it is no where near what it once was... Is there any way that I can restart it or kickstart it? Will clomid or nolvadex or a steroid cycle with proper PCT restore me? Am I screwed for life? Doc says I am in normal range with 13.8 but I am taking another test.
I mean, I can just stay the way I am now but it really isn't ideal considering I am 18, entering uni, and playing varsity football. I am worried I will not perform and possibly lose my gf?

So, what's the move?
 

DrinkFlintWater

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I hate to read shit like this...cuz I went through it. I have no answers for you bro...I started off young and here I am many years later on blast n cruise for life...similar to TRT. Hopefully you can find some answers in research etc...GL bro...seriously
 

whitesox95

Junior Member
I hate to read shit like this...cuz I went through it. I have no answers for you bro...I started off young and here I am many years later on blast n cruise for life...similar to TRT. Hopefully you can find some answers in research etc...GL bro...seriously

Yeah it sucks, do you have low T? Did you ever recover or what is going on? I mean, I am accepting it because there is no point is being down about it forever. I may as well eat as healthy as I can, stay consistent, stop smoking/drinking, and just be positive and results will come and who knows what will happen. I know I won't stop trying but it would be nice to have some closure or at least hit and maintain a normal level. Praying for fertility too though. Cause I WILL NOT TAKE TRT!! so, 10 years like this and hopefully I'll have kids then I can blast the trt. Maybe..
EDIT EDIT EDIT
just looked up blasting and cruising and seem to have an idea. That sounds tough man.. I am guessing your fertility is gone?
 

Just Fish

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If you were fertile before Trt. There is no reason that you can't come off it with the right pct and still be fertile. You are taking a risk though none the less
 

whitesox95

Junior Member
If you were fertile before Trt. There is no reason that you can't come off it with the right pct and still be fertile. You are taking a risk though none the less
I was fertile before 3 weeks of steroids at age 16 with normal test...... fast forward two years with low test and I tried one shot of TRT to see how I felt (low dose) and stopped after that one shot because I didn't want to shut off what natural production I have left.... I am still left with a normal to low level...
 

Just Fish

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I was fertile before 3 weeks of steroids at age 16 with normal test...... fast forward two years with low test and I tried one shot of TRT to see how I felt (low dose) and stopped after that one shot because I didn't want to shut off what natural production I have left.... I am still left with a normal to low level...
Post your blood work results. I have a feeling you are just an idiot. Doc said you were normal but you think you aren't.
 

Just Fish

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I was fertile before 3 weeks of steroids at age 16 with normal test...... fast forward two years with low test and I tried one shot of TRT to see how I felt (low dose) and stopped after that one shot because I didn't want to shut off what natural production I have left.... I am still left with a normal to low level...
How do you "know" you were fertile? You were probably taking supplements that shut you down
 

master.on

Member
Hey, I am a new poster on this website because I am unable to find solid information on my situation. So, when I was around 16 years old or so, almost 17, I asked an adult I knew for steroids and was warned, but ultimately given them. Before you call me stupid, I was completely unaware on the affects it could have.. only minor side effects.. Anyways, it was Winstrol (oral) at I believe 10mg per pill. I took it for about 3 weeks before I lost them. I was taking anywhere from 3-5 pills a day but on average 3. I noticed good strength and muscle gains, around 10 pounds. A week following, I got a major flu and was wiped out for a few days and lost it all which is about right lol.. I also took Test Freak (natural). I took no PCT afterwards either. So, fast forward 2 years and now I am 18. Last summer I suspected I had low testosterone as I read up on stuff in regards to my situation. I cannot recall any symptoms last year other than less frequent erections and maybe some fat retention? This year I can concretely say I am more tired, still retain fat, have trouble sleeping at times, less frequent erections, and hot flashes.. I hate the hot flashes. I had my first blood test last summer around 4 PM and the results came back... I HAD A TEST LEVEL OF 138! I didn't understand I was functioning...? 4 months later I got another blood test and my Test level came back at 13.8 through a different measurement between 7-28 or something like that. The test was in the morning so it was definitely higher because of that, but nonetheless LOW. I have went to an endo and I am not willing to do TRT because I want children and I am a recruit for college football. I was referred to a urologist and I am looking for a safer alternative such as clomid.. But, the funny this is, with my Test level so low and all... I am 6"3, 225 pounds hovering around 17-18 % body fat. I squat 445, bench 285, deadlift 495. So, I guess that is all quite good for my age? I work extremely hard and if I stop going to the gym for two weeks or even one, I lose it all. NOW THAT MY LIFE STORY IS OVER, MY MAIN QUESTION IS...

It looks as though I have permanently damaged/shut off my natural test production because it is no where near what it once was... Is there any way that I can restart it or kickstart it? Will clomid or nolvadex or a steroid cycle with proper PCT restore me? Am I screwed for life? Doc says I am in normal range with 13.8 but I am taking another test.
I mean, I can just stay the way I am now but it really isn't ideal considering I am 18, entering uni, and playing varsity football. I am worried I will not perform and possibly lose my gf?

So, what's the move?
You defly need blood tests
Total testosterone
Estradiol
LH
FSH
is possible include
Progesterone

Without bloods you're just shooting in the dark

BTW looks like you have low estradiol (from low T) causing the hot flashes.
 

Sk8man101

Member
Wow.
Clomid is an option. If you were older people here would recommend trt but your only 18.

If you gf decides she's gunna leave you over this you don't need that girl anyways.

You could get your sperm tested by your doctor if your concerned.

EDIT: if your looking at college sports depending on the league they test you like crazy. Here is the link for tested substances. Most school base their tests off these lists.
2014-15 NCAA Banned Drugs
 

Kinetic

Member
Before I found out I had low T, I ended up with four kids. So my fertility wasn't affected by it at all, I doubt yours is, either.

In the other hand, low T does suck. A lot. TRT makes me feel like a teenager all over again. If you truly are low, find a reputable endo who can run the gamut of blood testing to find the cause of the low T, if you have it, and maybe they can reverse it. You weren't on winny for very long, so something else may be the underlying causes. Sort that out and you may not have to worry about TRT. But if you do, it's not the end of the world. You can probably get medical waivers for most sports and boost fertility with HCG if you want to go that route.

You have options. Explore them.
 

whitesox95

Junior Member
Wow.
Clomid is an option. If you were older people here would recommend trt but your only 18.

If you gf decides she's gunna leave you over this you don't need that girl anyways.

You could get your sperm tested by your doctor if your concerned.

EDIT: if your looking at college sports depending on the league they test you like crazy. Here is the link for tested substances. Most school base their tests off these lists.
2014-15 NCAA Banned Drugs

Are there any other alternatives? is is possible to kickstart my natural production?

Also, would you think clomid is banned?
 

master.on

Member
Are there any other alternatives? is is possible to kickstart my natural production?

Also, would you think clomid is banned?
HCG + Aromatase Inhibitor
it's simple, and time proven
redraw bloods in a couple months to see if your testis still can produce Testosterone (they should)
then some Nolva to withdraw HCG

look what TOP doctors like Dr Scally do
they start with HCG, not with Clomid
if you're gonna mess up time proven protocols, you're on your own.
 

whitesox95

Junior Member
HCG + Aromatase Inhibitor
it's simple, and time proven
redraw bloods in a couple months to see if your testis still can produce Testosterone (they should)
then some Nolva to withdraw HCG

look what TOP doctors like Dr Scally do
they start with HCG, not with Clomid
if you're gonna mess up time proven protocols, you're on your own.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Does that mean that if I do that there's a possibility of jumpstarting my natural production again? It would be helpful to know what to ask at my next doctor's appt. I went to an endo and all they offer is TRT so now I am seeing a urologist at a fertility clinic where clomid, nolvadex, and HCG can hopefully be explored and discussed.. So is it possible if I do one of these things or a cycle I can be normal again? or will I be stuck on the lower end for the rest of my miserable life
 

Just Fish

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Does that mean that if I do that there's a possibility of jumpstarting my natural production again? It would be helpful to know what to ask at my next doctor's appt. I went to an endo and all they offer is TRT so now I am seeing a urologist at a fertility clinic where clomid, nolvadex, and HCG can hopefully be explored and discussed.. So is it possible if I do one of these things or a cycle I can be normal again? or will I be stuck on the lower end for the rest of my miserable life
Post your bloodwork. Like I said your problem is probably mental
 

Just Fish

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Does that mean that if I do that there's a possibility of jumpstarting my natural production again? It would be helpful to know what to ask at my next doctor's appt. I went to an endo and all they offer is TRT so now I am seeing a urologist at a fertility clinic where clomid, nolvadex, and HCG can hopefully be explored and discussed.. So is it possible if I do one of these things or a cycle I can be normal again? or will I be stuck on the lower end for the rest of my miserable life
You want help but all you have done is post some random numbers with no values or ranges. How the hell can anyone advise anything with that shit?
 

whitesox95

Junior Member
You want help but all you have done is post some random numbers with no values or ranges. How the hell can anyone advise anything with that shit?
Like I said I am pretty young and don't have much knowledge on this stuff. My first test was 138 on a scale of 1-1000, so it resembled that of an 80 year old man. My second test was 13.8 on a scale of 7-27.. That 13.8 converts to maybe a test level of 300 out of 1-1000. So, it is safe to say my levels fluctuate but are on the low end. I pray they are normally around 300 though because I can live with that. What other stuff do you suggest I post?
 

Just Fish

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Like I said I am pretty young and don't have much knowledge on this stuff. My first test was 138 on a scale of 1-1000, so it resembled that of an 80 year old man. My second test was 13.8 on a scale of 7-27.. That 13.8 converts to maybe a test level of 300 out of 1-1000. So, it is safe to say my levels fluctuate but are on the low end. I pray they are normally around 300 though because I can live with that. What other stuff do you suggest I post?
The actual print out from the lab. There is no such thing as a 1-1000 scale. Again those numbers make no sense. Your doctor told you that you were normal. So why do you think you are not? Is it because you have no clue how to read bloodwork?
 
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