2muchsause

Junior Member
Hi guys new guy here, so I've tried pharmacoms test cyp as a basic beginner cycle , I was pinning 400mg/week but no change.but I'm pretty sure it was bunk cause I didn't experience anything out of the ordinary . I've been wanting to start an actual cycle but am finding it very difficult , can you guys please help me out or at least guide me the right way. I'm planning on competing for classic physique so I need to come In pretty big and full:cool:
 

FiEnD

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Had 2 10ml vials and ran it for about 10 weeks
More qualified will chime in I'm sure but if you ran a 10 week cycle and ate clean and didn't feel anything at all then it seems like it could be bunk.

Next time test it to see if it's legit
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
More qualified will chime in I'm sure but if you ran a 10 week cycle and ate clean and didn't feel anything at all then it seems like it could be bunk.

Next time test it to see if it's legit
Yeah I know, I fell under the rookie mistake of listening to the good reviews that were on forums. Will definitely test next time. But yeah I was expecting to feel at least something by the 4th or 5th week but nothing really strength went a little up but I think it was of more calories being eaten , no drastic muscle or strength change
 

SteroidsBro

Member
My strength only went up a little on my first cycle and I was taking 750mg a week. I can definitely tell the difference now that I'm off of it, though
 

JackSmooth

Member
Prime example of why it's important to get blood work done.

1. The test wasn't bunk and you're training/diet is sub par. But you won't know because you didn't get blood work.

2. The test is bunk and you got burnt. But you wouldn't know because you didn't get bloodwork.
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
My strength only went up a little on my first cycle and I was taking 750mg a week. I can definitely tell the difference now that I'm off of it, though
From what I've read for some beginners 400-600mg is a good range but definitely think it was under dosed or bunk cause I think the body being exposed to artificial hormones for the first time would cause a bigger reaction then say a 2nd cycle
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
It was pharmacom, not surprised it was bunk. Go into the steroid underground on here, right on the first page there's a few sources with great feedback. 20mins of reading and you'll be set
Yeah definitely didn't like they're oils , and thanks brah will definitely read up a lot more , a reliable source should pop up sooner or later o_O
 

Robfromga

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Sounds like it may have been your first cycle. AI?
Blood work?
400 should yield some where around 2000TT. Which is far more than natural levels, but isn't going to give you 15lbs of lean muscle in 10 weeks.

10 weeks is also kinda short for a long ester.

With out blood work you'll never know and you'll just be lumped in to the pcom hater club. Did you pct? Are you recovered? Go get bloods and post the results. And then read read read read. And read some more to find someone with know good gear. Where there's smoke...there's fire.
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
Prime example of why it's important to get blood work done.

1. The test wasn't bunk and you're training/diet is sub par. But you won't know because you didn't get blood work.

2. The test is bunk and you got burnt. But you wouldn't know because you didn't get bloodwork.
Will definitely start testing my blood from now on , wasn't thinking much about it at that time , also if this helps at all I wasn't getting any estrogen effects like the round face, gyno, hormonal mood change, or water retention
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
Sounds like it may have been your first cycle. AI?
Blood work?
400 should yield some where around 2000TT. Which is far more than natural levels, but isn't going to give you 15lbs of lean muscle in 10 weeks.

10 weeks is also kinda short for a long ester.

With out blood work you'll never know and you'll just be lumped in to the pcom hater club. Did you pct? Are you recovered? Go get bloods and post the results. And then read read read read. And read some more to find someone with know good gear. Where there's smoke...there's fire.
Yeah I think I was expecting to become drastically different , but I feel like there was no actuall change , strength wise as well. And yes I took hcg and will get blood work probably soon. Currently feel good overall , area downstairs is working and hormones seem to be stable
 

JackSmooth

Member
Will definitely start testing my blood from now on , wasn't thinking much about it at that time , also if this helps at all I wasn't getting any estrogen effects like the round face, gyno, hormonal mood change, or water retention
On 400mg some people don't need An ai. On 500mg I can get away without one and not have any gyno or bloat as long as my diet is decent.
Happens to the best of us man, these aren't pharmacies we're dealing with. Do some more research and give it another go. I would get your blood tested to make sure you're not shut down in case the test was just severely under dosed.

Was your goal to bulk up this attempt of a cycle?
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
On 400mg some people don't need An ai. On 500mg I can get away without one and not have any gyno or bloat as long as my diet is decent.
Happens to the best of us man, these aren't pharmacies we're dealing with. Do some more research and give it another go. I would get your blood tested to make sure you're not shut down in case the test was just severely under dosed.

Was your goal to bulk up this attempt of a cycle?
Yeah I was trying to put on a good amount of muscle nothing crazy but fill in a little more. and yeah gonna start reading a little more and do more research on certain sources
 

Robfromga

Member
AnabolicLab.com Supporter
Yeah I think I was expecting to become drastically different , but I feel like there was no actuall change , strength wise as well. And yes I took hcg and will get blood work probably soon. Currently feel good overall , area downstairs is working and hormones seem to be stable

So hcg isn't a pct.
Don't go off feelings to determine recovery or cycle strength. I'm on trt and feel almost no difference between 1100tt and 3500tt. Take that for whatever it's worth.

How many cycles have you done? What's your history and stats?
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
So hcg isn't a pct.
Don't go off feelings to determine recovery or cycle strength. I'm on trt and feel almost no difference between 1100tt and 3500tt. Take that for whatever it's worth.

How many cycles have you done? What's your history and stats?
It was my first cycle so I don't have that much of a history , I was gonna take AI and a anti est, but since I didn't know if it was real or bunk I didn't want to risk anything ,but will get checked soon
 

2muchsause

Junior Member
If you were trying to bulk you should've put on some weight even if the test was bunk. If you didnt put on a single pound I'd reevaluate your diet.
I put on weight but nothing that I couldn't do naturally, it was as if I was just bulking naturally, there was no distinct difference from my natural bulk to geard bulking
 

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