New start diet with Var (eq?, Clen?) questions

Joanne12345

Junior Member
I have a personal trainer and have been working with him for over a year. I compete in golf competitions and am looking to cut my 30% body fat in half as well as gain muscle and an awesome physique/abs!!

I have not really seen a big difference in my body as I am still hovering between 27-30% body fat ugh. But I do see a difference in strength.

I purchased some Var at the end of October and saw my lowest body fat percentage of 27% and my strength was going well! But then work interfered and I had to take some time off here and there from my 3 day a week training sessions for an hour each of the three days. I also went off var.

I am now back on Var (three days in) and would like to add cardio on my three scheduled hour long lifting days as well as on my days off in order to get my body fat down.

I have dabbled with the high fat low to no carb and medium diet, the egg fast, the eat clean but under your TDEE diets but am really confused with what would work for me - as the users of the eat clean diets and the Atkins type of diets all state that I should be eating around 1600 cals (I'm 44 yrs of age, 5'3" tall and 130lbs) but they all require more lifting / working out than what I am doing.

I understand Var helps retain and build muscle so believe I can eat below my TDEE (1000 cals) and lose weight while not losing muscle given my lack of workouts.

I would love to workout more but just can't right now given my job but if that is going to be the only way I can get to 15% body fat I will! But I also read that 90% of body fat loss is made in the kitchen.

Just wondering if Var can give me that extra edge and allow me to lower my cals further and if I should also consider Clen and Eq??
 

T_verde77

Member
Throw in the cardio like u mentioned and u will get your results. 6-7 days a week 30min moderate-Hight intensity, hiit style fasted cardio in the am works the best for burning fat. Just do as much as you can without making u miserable and interfering with your job.
 

Joanne12345

Junior Member
Thank you to both of you.

I am debating going to Clen as everything I have read about Var is that I most likely don't have true 100% var. but I like the fact that it's the best for non issues.

I have very sore joint pain in my elbows to the point that I can barely lift a can of corn with my arm outstretched. This started happening when I started Var in October. I was lifting awesome amounts of weights and either damaged myself from lifting too heavy or (I am hoping - have to lubricate the joints as now I have just read that Var causes a drying out of the joints). I have been taking loads of glucosamine chondritine and fish oils which unfortunately haven't done anything yet. Still hoping tho.

I really love lifting, pushing and pulling weights!! More so than boring cardio but will do both and try to get more time with the weights. But do you feel I can do the 1000 calories or should I go with 1300 (45% protein, 30% fat and 25% carbs)???
 
Throw in the cardio like u mentioned and u will get your results. 6-7 days a week 30min moderate-Hight intensity, hiit style fasted cardio in the am works the best for burning fat. Just do as much as you can without making u miserable and interfering with your job.
Listen to this man. That's what you need to do
 

T_verde77

Member
Thank you to both of you.

I am debating going to Clen as everything I have read about Var is that I most likely don't have true 100% var. but I like the fact that it's the best for non issues.

I have very sore joint pain in my elbows to the point that I can barely lift a can of corn with my arm outstretched. This started happening when I started Var in October. I was lifting awesome amounts of weights and either damaged myself from lifting too heavy or (I am hoping - have to lubricate the joints as now I have just read that Var causes a drying out of the joints). I have been taking loads of glucosamine chondritine and fish oils which unfortunately haven't done anything yet. Still hoping tho.

I really love lifting, pushing and pulling weights!! More so than boring cardio but will do both and try to get more time with the weights. But do you feel I can do the 1000 calories or should I go with 1300 (45% protein, 30% fat and 25% carbs)???
I wouldn't go to Clen yet if i was you, u won't get good results of your diet isn't in check first. u can drop your body fat way down without it. I personally have Clen on hand and i am holding off on it for a couple more months. I'm at 17% down from 23% in a month and a half-2months. I would focus on getting your diet dialed in and getting your body fat to a healthy level than focus on strength and building musscle.

Weight yourself naked first thing once a week to track your progress. adjust calories as needed, if you're consistently losing weight than keep the diet the same. No one can tell exactly the perfect amount of calories to eat. keep your protein atleast 1g per 1 lb bodyweight if not a little more. there are many ways to cut weight, just research cutting diets/ carb cycling diets and that should help u out more.

But cardio atleast 5 days a week is a must if u want to get your weight down.

For your elbow try to keep your reps in the 10-12 range. if you injure yourself seriously u will only get fatter. recently happened to me. My elbow is finally 95% betters.

stay away from the workout that put a lot of pressure on your elbows. skull crushers/ pressing exercises/ dips.

For your chest try doing different variation of flys. atleast until your elbow is ok. Throw is some super sets in your workout to get your heart rate really going.

Good luck man
 

Mr.B66

Member
AnabolicLab.com Supporter
The joint pain your experiencing in your elbows makes me think your var is really winstrol.
If you dont mind sharing, where did you get that "var"?
 

RodgerThat

Member
1) your car is winny 2) your undedicated uneducated and lack dietary discipline to be using substances that can and probably will with your lack of knowledge harm your health 3) you will not get ripped have the physique you want and "abs" because you take a compound 4) diet and training is everything you need right now and probably all you'll ever need. If you can only give 3 hours a week ask yourself do you really care enough? Don't give me bullshit that you don't have the time or anything like that as I woke up at 3am today to make sure I ate 2 hours before my lifting session cause I'm busy for the rest of the day so have to do a 5am lift. Show that kind of dedication and you'd get the body that you want without anything else. Calorie in vs calories out whether your on a Atkins or a carb cycling or a high carb or high protein doesn't matter the only thing that makes you lose weight is calories out must be more then calories in.

A point most people don't realize and I'm going to make it here. AAS is a performance enhancer and if you dont/can't perform how do you expect for it to enhance anything it won't. 30%-27% in a year with "anavar" winny just proves to me the lack of discipline. Reevaluate your decisions and I hope you take this to heart and realize I'm not trying to hate on you but I do want to light a fire under your ass to get you doing it right.
 

Joanne12345

Junior Member
1) your car is winny 2) your undedicated uneducated and lack dietary discipline to be using substances that can and probably will with your lack of knowledge harm your health 3) you will not get ripped have the physique you want and "abs" because you take a compound 4) diet and training is everything you need right now and probably all you'll ever need. If you can only give 3 hours a week ask yourself do you really care enough? Don't give me bullshit that you don't have the time or anything like that as I woke up at 3am today to make sure I ate 2 hours before my lifting session cause I'm busy for the rest of the day so have to do a 5am lift. Show that kind of dedication and you'd get the body that you want without anything else. Calorie in vs calories out whether your on a Atkins or a carb cycling or a high carb or high protein doesn't matter the only thing that makes you lose weight is calories out must be more then calories in.

A point most people don't realize and I'm going to make it here. AAS is a performance enhancer and if you dont/can't perform how do you expect for it to enhance anything it won't. 30%-27% in a year with "anavar" winny just proves to me the lack of discipline. Reevaluate your decisions and I hope you take this to heart and realize I'm not trying to hate on you but I do want to light a fire under your ass to get you doing it right.

Thank you. I do appreciate the honesty, but also am trying quite hard - Life doesn't always give you the opportunity to get up and work out before work or after - but I have actually brought equipment to work and have implemented a before, lunch and if I work over time modified workout regime. I also try to educate myself as much as possible - Hense my questions. I am learning a great deal from
Everyone on here. What do you believe I need to be at before starting Clen, Anavar and possibly t3. I don't believe I will use much - but do like to have that extra pump. And in my competitions - these are not tested - so why not compete on a level playing field.
 

Devika

Member
AnabolicLab.com Supporter
If your joints are hurting you, then your var is most likely winstrol.
Anavar is usually faked. Labmax your stuff next time.
You lose fat by eating below your maintance cals, and cardio. As much cardio as you can.
If your training and diet aren't dialed in you're wasting your time using AAs. They aren't a miracle drug that will make you skinny and excel at your sport. If you start using AAs hoping they will magically give you what you haven't been able to achieve, you will just be disappointed and possibly do long-term harm to your hormones.
You really have to look close at the risk-benefit ratio.
 

Crystal234

Member
Good nutrition and a solid workout strategy can make huge improvements in body composition. You will boost your metabolism and lower your body fat by being consistent and get the results you are looking for with zero side effects in comparison to you taking AAS at the moment.

You won't see any results taking steroids at 30% body fat and you are seriously putting your health at risk.

The nutrition forum here is a great resource if you need tips or help with your diet. Make the time to work out. We all do it regardless of how busy we are. If you want it bad enough, you will make it happen. Hope you reach your goals.
 

Leancuisine

Member
Good nutrition and a solid workout strategy can make huge improvements in body composition. You will boost your metabolism and lower your body fat by being consistent and get the results you are looking for with zero side effects in comparison to you taking AAS at the moment.

You won't see any results taking steroids at 30% body fat and you are seriously putting your health at risk.

The nutrition forum here is a great resource if you need tips or help with your diet. Make the time to work out. We all do it regardless of how busy we are. If you want it bad enough, you will make it happen. Hope you reach your goals.

Doesn't matter what bodyfat percentage you are at, if you take steroids, you will get theeffects of steroids.
Body fat does not render hormones useless.
 

Leancuisine

Member
You won't see any results taking steroids at 30% body fat and you are seriously putting your health at risk.

Let's say a 270lb power lifter @25% bodyfat takes steroids. You think they won't see any results?
They know how to train, and the performance enhancers will enhance performance.
As @RodgerThat said, AAS or performance enhancing drugs.... but most people who take them don't have any type of performance present to enhance, like the OP.
 

RodgerThat

Member
Let's say a 270lb power lifter @25% bodyfat takes steroids. You think they won't see any results?
They know how to train, and the performance enhancers will enhance performance.
As @RodgerThat said, AAS or performance enhancing drugs.... but most people who take them don't have any type of performance present to enhance, like the OP.

Man whys the powerlifter always gotta be the fat one :p. But yes as for body fat it's not how high his is, it's the lack of base knowledge and training. You can be fat and take steroids and get amazing results we have members here that have but unfortunately the OP is not going to be one of them because the attitude he takes towards them is that they do the work for you. If you can't hit the gym and can't eat properly for your goals you have no business here. If you can look in the mirror in the morning and realize that's not where you want to be and do absolutely everything in your power to change that, well then your in the right community space but you'd have to prove that. I don't care who you are if you want something bad enough you make the time. I worked 16 hours a day in the summer time in the bush climbing mountains but I'd make a point to find a heavy ass rock and put it in my back or make sure I set a 3am alarm so I could climb out of my tent and go for a run. Your excuses are invalid in this community because everyone here has a struggle they deal with to get what they want.
 

Leancuisine

Member
Man whys the powerlifter always gotta be the fat one :p. But yes as for body fat it's not how high his is, it's the lack of base knowledge and training. You can be fat and take steroids and get amazing results we have members here that have but unfortunately the OP is not going to be one of them because the attitude he takes towards them is that they do the work for you. If you can't hit the gym and can't eat properly for your goals you have no business here. If you can look in the mirror in the morning and realize that's not where you want to be and do absolutely everything in your power to change that, well then your in the right community space but you'd have to prove that. I don't care who you are if you want something bad enough you make the time. I worked 16 hours a day in the summer time in the bush climbing mountains but I'd make a point to find a heavy ass rock and put it in my back or make sure I set a 3am alarm so I could climb out of my tent and go for a run. Your excuses are invalid in this community because everyone here has a struggle they deal with to get what they want.

I was unhappy every morning when I looked in the mirror.... but 3 years of jelqing and penis pumping has gotten me nowhere :(
Prolly cuz I'm not taking SARMS
 

Crystal234

Member
Doesn't matter what bodyfat percentage you are at, if you take steroids, you will get theeffects of steroids.
Body fat does not render hormones useless.

Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression that taking AAS with high body fat and doesn't work out much is a lot more risky health-wise vs. someone who has low body fat and trains frequently.
 

Crystal234

Member
Man whys the powerlifter always gotta be the fat one :p. But yes as for body fat it's not how high his is, it's the lack of base knowledge and training. You can be fat and take steroids and get amazing results we have members here that have but unfortunately the OP is not going to be one of them because the attitude he takes towards them is that they do the work for you. If you can't hit the gym and can't eat properly for your goals you have no business here. If you can look in the mirror in the morning and realize that's not where you want to be and do absolutely everything in your power to change that, well then your in the right community space but you'd have to prove that. I don't care who you are if you want something bad enough you make the time. I worked 16 hours a day in the summer time in the bush climbing mountains but I'd make a point to find a heavy ass rock and put it in my back or make sure I set a 3am alarm so I could climb out of my tent and go for a run. Your excuses are invalid in this community because everyone here has a struggle they deal with to get what they want.

I think he is actually a she, if I'm not mistaken!
 
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