No results!

Discussion in 'Training Forum' started by Bob Smith, Feb 14, 2004.

Cause of no results?

  1. Bad training program

    10 vote(s)
    22.2%
  2. Poor nutrition

    22 vote(s)
    48.9%
  3. Lack of consistency

    11 vote(s)
    24.4%
  4. Believing the magazines contain "information"

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Following what the pros do

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Other

    2 vote(s)
    4.4%
  1. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Member

    What do you guys think is the single most detrimental factor to why so many people make zero gains despite going to the gym for years?

    Crappy program, bad eating, consistency, reading the magazines.....what?
     
  2. Peace Division

    Peace Division Junior Member

    I think it's a li'l bit of all of the above. When I first started working out, I made the usual newbie gains w/o knowing what I was doing in the gym or at the dinner table.

    Having garnered a few years of quality experience, I think nutrition rules the roost. As long as you are consistent and have a good workout :D
     
  3. Primo Max

    Primo Max Junior Member

    Maybe we should add "Devoting 75%of their gym time to arm training" to the list. If you walk in to the gym and the first exercise you do is triceps pushdowns or curls, you'll never be big, end of story. When I voted other, that's what I had in mind.
     
  4. Grizzly

    Grizzly Member

    I'm going to sit the fence on this one. Like Peace said, you can make a case for all of them. If you are using a killer workout plan but your nutrition is shitty, then so are your gains. If your nutrition is spot on, but you don't squat, dead, clean, row, etc., then your gains are shit. If you are wishy washy and inconsistent with both of them, then your gains are shit.

    All in all, BB is like the liberal arts. They all compliment one another.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2004
  5. armsports

    armsports Junior Member

    1. Not eating enough.

    2. Not training legs hard enough.

    3. Too many isolation and not enough compound movements.

    4. Failure to implement the overload principle.

    5. Consistent wussiness.

    Sorry I couldn't pick just one cause I've seen em' all so many times!
     
  6. Gavin Laird

    Gavin Laird Junior Member

    Order of factors...

    No stimulus (crap training program) = No potential for gains.

    No nutrition = no realisation of gains.

    So I'm putting training first. Thereafter how you eat can influence how much progress you make but without the training you will not make any progress at all even if your nutrition is "perfect".

    Cheers,

    Gav.
     
  7. Grizzly

    Grizzly Member

    I like that. Good stuff, Gavin.
     
  8. Freddy

    Freddy Junior Member

    Training.

    Definitely training. You can practically starve yourself and not sleep at all and make good gains on the 5x5. As long as your training is really good, you're fine.
     
  9. Phreezer

    Phreezer Member


    Agreed.. whole heartedly!
     
  10. wic2111

    wic2111 Junior Member

    Agree 1000%, everything is interlocked and when one link is weak the chain breaks!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. dolfe1

    dolfe1 Junior Member

    Nutrition IMO, I think some people overlooked the word I highlighted in bold.
     
  12. thick

    thick Junior Member

    Nobody overlooked it. I voted consistency. If you dont' show up it doesnt matter how good your program is. Now consistently show up with a bad program and you will get some gains but u will b disappointed and not be consistent. Be consistent with a good program and diet doesnt matter to an extent. You can get a very muscular physique on potato chips and ice cream if you are consistent with a good program.
     
  13. Freddy

    Freddy Junior Member

    I'm in the JS and Louie Simmons camp, in that frankly...I think nutrition is terribly overrated. I maintain my original statement.
     
  14. dolfe1

    dolfe1 Junior Member

    You must not have read the posts on page one. :)
     
  15. thick

    thick Junior Member

    ;you lost me????
     
  16. dolfe1

    dolfe1 Junior Member

    I was pointing out that Bob stated the word single and people were responding with answers like it's a combination of things, or it's a lot of different things, these are not answers to the question, but I suppose any opinion is valid here. :)
     
  17. thick

    thick Junior Member

    well my answer is valid as were a couple of others. Yours was valid also but wrong lol
     
  18. Chip Bronson

    Chip Bronson Junior Member

    perhaps if you're a genetic superior, this would be the case. but this is just not true for the majority. no way, you're going to practically starve yourself and not get good sleep and make progress. it aint' gonna happen, for the average joe. and there are way more average joes than genetic superiors...

    first off, if you don't eat well and sleep enough, you won't have the energy to train properly, especially using the 5x5 method. second, how are you going to add mass even if you can somehow manage to get through a decent workout? out of thin air? i don't think so. training is important, but if you don't get enough fuel and rest, you won't be able to train effectively. no offense, and i admire your knowledge in the training department, but i think you need to re-think and re-word your post freddy. :)
     
  19. Freddy

    Freddy Junior Member

    JS has seen this work exactly as I've said with a sample pool of some 70 athletes at once, and hundreds and hundreds over a period of many years, with a wide range of genetic abilities from piss poor all the way up to genetic freaks of nature.

    My claim is totally backed by actual proof, not theory.

    It works.


     
  20. thick

    thick Junior Member

    A guy can do the potato chip diet every day and party alot and still make gains. Not optimal gains but good strength gains and some muscle gains. I wouldnt go to the extreme of starving but the average guy will get much stronger and will get results regardless of his nutrition IMO. so chip i think you need to reword your post lmao. I have been a pain in the ass today ;)