hey, we just disagree. but, imho, no way a potato-chip-eating-no-sleep-havnig dude is going to make even half-decent gains. i'll stand by my original post but i will re-word it for the sake of accuracy. again, no way an average guy is going to make even decent gains with the protocol freddy described unless: 1)they're late teens or early 20's and/or 2)they're genetcially gifted. and even then, they would only be skimming the surface of what they could ultimately accomplish. so i guess js works with a lot of young, genetcially gifted athletes. how's that?