Panic crisis/dissorder

Discussion in 'Men's Health Forum' started by Reinheart, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. Reinheart

    Reinheart Member

    Is 5-HPT going to be of any use or should I just start taking Zoloft? I first got a panic attack only a couple weeks ago and I literally though I was going to die. I went to the hospital. Ever since my stomach is completely fucked up (feeling nauseous). It was caused by excessive stress and too much thinking.

    I don't think I am suffering from depression because I feel good and have good energy levels and the mood to go out and do things, it's just stress that's killing me. I took Primperan and Zadac for my stomach.

    Any common experiences?

    Is it possible that steroid use can be linked to panic attacks?

    Thanks in advance!
  2. zkt

    zkt Member

    You seem to be in the same boat as I. From my experience, high T levels causes way too much sympathetic and parasympathetic NS activity(EPI and Norepi) and puts me into a flight or flight state with little provocation. Sometimes I dont even know if I`m over-reacting to a situation or under-reacting. EIther way its a near constant state of anxiety and I`m fuckin sick and tired of it. Sound about right?
    Ive tried smoking a little weed and it helps a little until the next thing comes around. Smoke enought to set my head straight and I`m fine alone doing my job, but let some asshole motherfucker come around, and they always do, and the whole thing goes to hell again.
    I could reduce my T and sink into a dont give a fuck, let it all go to hell, and I`m too tired to fix it anyway state. But I dont want to.
    As a fuckin theoretical Buddist I gotta see it all as a challenge to better and my part in dealing with the fucked up world.
    Trie SSRI onece, citalipram, Lexipro; mellowed me out a bit but didnt like the way I felt: kinda dead.
    But I guess you get used to that.
    Gotta do something.
    Lemme know.
  3. CubbieBlue

    CubbieBlue Member

    Uhhh...T should NOT make you feel that way ZKT.

    Are you applying transdermally? Get your DHT tested. I felt like a crackhead on transdermals because of DHT elevation (I presume).
  4. zkt

    zkt Member

    I`m talking anabolic levels which Is where I presume Reinhart is. :drooling:
  5. 1erCru

    1erCru Member

    Lol. zkt your anabolic steriod level description is basically my entire existence at 300 levels.
    My only hope is that testosterone in some way doesnt increase dopamine levels but rather modulates it, getting the dopamine where it needs to be. Ive actually read both T and estrogen do exactly this but its all anecdotal and impossible to prove.
  6. biceps72

    biceps72 Member

    high E2 = anxiety

    what is your E2 level?? If high, you have to get it down imo. I have GAD-- it never goes away but high E2 makes it even worse,

    Just a thought!!
  7. Structure

    Structure Member

    I can let you in on a little secret when it comes to panic attacks.

    What you've described is very common --- the first time someone has a legitimate, full-blown panic attack, especially when you've not had any real experience with panic disorders in the past, you literally think you are about to die. It is as though the body is trying to tell you that something has gone drastically wrong, like you've ruptured an artery somewhere inside, and you're going to bleed out internally.

    After you have this experience, and you pull through without dying, you carry with you the trauma as though you actually did live through a near-death experience. It is this odd contradiction: even though you are told that you are perfectly healthy and that it was all just panic, your brain records the whole thing as though you escaped death by the skin of your teeth. The paradox is that your rational brain believes the doctor when he says that it was all just a panic attack, but your emotional brain feels like you dodged a bullet.

    Negative emotional memory, or trauma, has a way of resurfacing when you experience something similar in the future (like post traumatic stress syndrome, only to a lesser degree). And any time trauma is associated with feeling completely out of control, you carry with you an additional fear of losing control --- there's something about the panic episode that feels like it is out of your hands. In other words, you start thinking thoughts along the lines of "what if it happens again? How can I stop from happening again? Once it starts, is it even possible to stop it?" Etc. Maintaining this control becomes a source of anxiety all in itself.

    Here's the secret: Full blown panic attacks only happen when there is still some part of you that actually believes that something is actually going wrong with your body / that you really are in danger of dying.

    This is because the panic itself is brought on by a fear of imminent death. There are certain signs and symptoms that occur at the onset of a panic attack: vertigo / dizziness, heart palpitations / heart racing, hyperventilating, tingling in the hands, sweating, sudden intense nausea, etc. You notice these symptoms, and immediately connect it with "what went wrong last time." In other words, there's a part of the brain that sees these symptoms as evidence that something actually is wrong. This brings on more fear, which releases more adrenal hormones, which intensifies the effect, which makes it more convincing that something is going wrong, etc. It is a self-accelerating process.

    The way to beat this is to really take the time to understand the biology of these symptoms, and to really take the time to understand their consequences. The fact is that andrenergic hormones won't kill you. You are not in danger, no matter how bad you panic. You will not die, you won't even get a little hurt.

    The way that a panic attack finally subsides is when the effect maxes out, so-to-speak. The adrenergic effect can only get so intense before it levels off. Eventually, you figure out that you're still alive, and that your condition is stable. Then you gradually come back down.

    You can circumvent this whole process just by convincing yourself that adrenal hormones pose no threat, and that there is nothing going wrong with your body. Once you truly believe this, you won't care if you ever have a panic attack again, because they will be of no consequence. It is a simple idea, but sometimes you have to dig pretty deep to truly convince yourself of this. If you need to do research, then do research. If you need to see a doctor and get a full workup, then do so. Just do whatever it is you need to do to convince yourself that you're just fine. From a purely statistical standpoint, the fact is that there are vastly more people suffering from the effects of panic than there are people who have undiagnosed illnesses that cause an intense, sudden onset of symptoms (but have no other measurable effect on health).

    The only last bit of advice I can give you is this: when people find out how all this works, a common response is: "I know I'm not going to die, its just that the sensation of panicking is unpleasant, and I'd like to avoid it at all costs." The truth is that it's not normal to be so terrified of being dizzy / sweaty / hyperventilating. These things really aren't that bad. They're only bad when you're afraid of what's "really" going on that is causing them to happen.

    Hope that helps.
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  8. kenmika1

    kenmika1 Junior Member

    Hey, sorry to hear you have panic disorder. That is the most messed up thing I have ever had to deal with. I have had it for 15 years now and until recently it really ruined my quality of life. I finally decided to quit taking the ssri drugs and I feel the same panic wise. I have more energy since I quit taking those meds but they did nothing for my panic. What really helps me is if I feel one coming on I try and stop before it gets out of hand. Also, if things get too sketchy I take half of a xanax. In my case the ssri's didin't do anything to help with panic and I was on them for 15 years. Honestly, just knowing what you are feeling cant hurt you helps you too. Also, for me, taking an alka seltzer when an attack starts helps as well. My stomach goes bad whenever I feel any panic and the alka seltzer really helps. I have so much more info if you are interested. Just pm me.
  9. Reinheart

    Reinheart Member

    I thank you all for your responses! They were very helpful. The thing is that I have been off cycle since July but I am on pct since August. I did 20mgs nolvadex and 20mgs aromasin for a month, i stopped for two weeks then I did 40mgs Nolvadex only because my libido sucked. I was feeling really good until I stopped taking Aromasin for a week. Then I started feeling emotional and weak so I started taking it again. Currently I am only taking aromasin, 20mgs ed.

    I think I might have had a high estrogen problem years before I cycle because there were times I was unusually emotional/jealous/nosy etc. At the same period though, I was very horny and I would blow huge loads.

    I am really trying to figure what the hell is going on. I either have naturally very high levels of test that eventually convert to very high levels of estrogen or I am suffering from low test and high estrogen. :confused:

    I am almost three years with my girl and she is the most beautiful thing in my life along with my family and a couple of friends. She has never been slutty or a tease. She is extremely modest and her words are well thought before she speaks.

    To make a long story short, she is very faithful and honest and she has helped me in several ways over the years. As you understand I have absolutely no reason to be envious or nosy but whenever my E is high i act like a bitch even though I know it isn't right.

    Staying on Aromasin or arimidex year round is the only way i can be myself (the way I see it)....
  10. zkt

    zkt Member

    I take it then that this hasnt been a long standing problem? If it is something new then you might be able to identify an emotional or stressor and deal with it specifically.