Penile shrinkage, atrophy. What causes it?

Discussion in 'Men's Health Forum' started by AlexanderDenmark, Sep 4, 2009.

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    AlexanderDenmark

    AlexanderDenmark Junior Member

    I was wondering what causes penile shrinkage, atrophy, in the sense in the texture becomes a lot more coarse, rubbery like, prominent veins that weren't there before, loss of sensation. Sometimes cold. Like there is no blood flow down there. If it is hormones, then which hormones is it there is too litlle or too much of? There are a few people who have brought up the subject, but I never found a post where someone has resolved it. This is my most worrisome symptom, but it might be the only one that causes lasting damage. Can the shrinkage we talk about here be restored to normal size pre-problems, or is there actual tissue loss?
     
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    susmani

    susmani Junior Member

    I am interested to know more about the same since I am having the same symptoms as described. There was poster named 'Megazoid' who had same problems and he posted some interesting posts in this forum but he is not active since 2007. I'd love to hear more from him or would like to contact him to find out more on his journey to recovery, if i have his contact. I think there are lots of people who find the cure and once they are good they don't come to forum like this. I hope megazoid is still alive since I saw in another forum where wrote about have suicidal thoughts because of his deteriorating health. Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2009
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    susmani

    susmani Junior Member

    I found an interesting post by megazoid in another forum, below is the copy/paste:
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    by megazoid, Jan 19, 2007 12:00AM
    OK Guy's, i found this thread by accident and i thought it would be important to reply. First off i want everyone to relax and stay calm and i don't want anyone to think about suicide, i suffered the exact same as you guy's did but no one to give me any kind of answers (i am only 24 myself). I have the answers you guy's need, so please let me explain my own story first.

    When i was born, i was a healthy, young baby boy. However it wasn't noticed that i had an undescended testicle (right testicle) until i was 2 year's old. The testicle was brought down but this in turn caused the testicle to remain small and atrophied (dysfunctional). My left testicle took over throughout puberty and became large and fully functional. I went through puberty as normal but my left testicle gained a huge size (2/3 inches) to compensate for the other 'lost' testicle.

    6 months ago i got an injury to my left testicle which caused a varicocele to form (enlargement/swelling of the veins), this in turn causes blood pooling issues int he testicle and over-heating to occur (along with abnormal hormonal parameters). Over a course of 3 months my testicle atrophied and my sperm count dropped. During this time i just didn't "feel right" (so to speak) and wasn't getting morning erections or having a libido. I had joint and muscle pains and all manner of skin changes occured (more so on my penis like you guy's - skin thinning, maybe a little dry at times). What had happened was a hormonal inbalance had set in and caused low testosterone (hypogonadism). Like you guy's my penis shrunk up really bad and my testicles were always very tight and didn't hang as normal.

    Flaccid penis size is controlled by the free testosterone levels available in the blood. DHT (A hormone that gives us "all things male") has a large degree of control over the penilie tissues (the "elasticness" of them for example). The Testosterone to estrogen ratio controls how "hard" your erections get and if this got knocked out (due to lack of testosterone for example) then getting erections will be tough and your flaccid penis will hang alot smaller and lifeless at times.

    Morning wood is an indication of the correct ratio of Testosterone to Estrogen (E2). Lack of morning wood in almost all cases means either excess estrogen or low testosterone.

    Imagine the flaccid penis like a balloon. When there isn't enough testosterone in the blood to support it "shrinks" up. You guy's need to be aware that unless you live with this for like 4/5 year's the penis dosen't "actually" shrink and lose tissue (it's already developed muscular tissue) but just shrinks up into itself.

    You WILL get your penis size and erection ability back when you get your hormones in order.

    So how did you develop this condition? Well there are 3 forms. Primary Hypogonadism which means testicular dysfunction (caused by tramua to the testicles - hernia, varicocele, mumps, hard kick, etc) and secondary which indicates a problem with your piturity gland not sending out enough messages to keep your testosterone level high. Central Hypogonadism is a problem with both the piturity gland and the testicles (this is rare).

    Secondary hypogonadism can indicate a piturity tumour or be brought on from head tramua. An MRI is needed and frequent blood work to elevate (generally secondary will be indicated by low LH/FSH in the 1/2 range).

    A normal testosterone level of 23nmol (or more) is required for sperm production and normal male functioning, anything lower (even if your doctor "claims" you are normal) isn't.

    Low testosterone can lead to high estrogen which in turn can cause prostate rated problems (prostitis for example).

    If you are overweight or have stomach fat you most likely have higher levels of estrogen which again cause erection problems and smaller flaccid penis size.

    I will monitor this thread and will answer any questions you guy's have.
     
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    biceps72

    biceps72 Active Member

    likely your E2 is too high

    get your E2 tested via an ultrasensitive E2 test. E2 should be in the 20-30 range. E2 too nigh sux, E2 too low sux too!!!!

    estradiol = E2 can be controlled with armidex.
     
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    AlexanderDenmark

    AlexanderDenmark Junior Member

    Susmani, can you throw a link to the thread?

    Something, I notice we all have in common is low thyroid function. Maybe also High E2.
     
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    susmani

    susmani Junior Member

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    Matt Muscle

    Matt Muscle Junior Member

    This statement is incorrect. Many males function perfectly with levels of total testosterone lower than 23 nmol/l.
     
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    AlexanderDenmark

    AlexanderDenmark Junior Member

    How much is 23 nmol in ng/dl?
     
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    KBD

    KBD Active Member

    So therefore, taking roids can shrink your penis due to elevated estrogen levels?
     
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    AlexanderDenmark

    AlexanderDenmark Junior Member

    I guess the people on roids can comment on that.

    I hope hardasnails, Dr. Marianco, headdoc, pmgamer or Dr. John crisler can comment on this.

    Of all hypogonadal symptoms, i don't there is anything worse than having your god damn penis, shrink, shrivel up and atrophy.

    I think it would give some us signicant peace of mind to know whether it is thyroid, testosterone, Dht, estradiol or adrenal fatigue causing this.
     
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    TheOldFart

    TheOldFart Junior Member

    663 ng/dl and I agree that men are fertile well below that level, or else the world population would be shrinking.
     
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    TheOldFart

    TheOldFart Junior Member

    For instance, take a look at the sticky titled "Table of T Levels By 10-Year Age Group". In there is a link to this site, where the first post links to the zipped Excel file that shows average and standard deviation of total T by age group. There is data from 2 studies.

    EliteFitness.com Bodybuilding Forums

    Note that about half of men between the ages of 25 and 39 are below 23 nmol/l. This would mean that half of all men between the ages of 25 and 39 are infertile. I don't think so. The data would also show that well over half of men between the ages of 40 and 59 are infertile if it were true that a total T level of at least 23 nmol/l were necessary for fertility..
     
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    Bigkarch

    Bigkarch Member

    nothing shrinks your penis....
     
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    TheOldFart

    TheOldFart Junior Member

    I was thinking the same thing, but I wasn't sure of it. I thought that it only becomes smaller when erect because the tissues don't fill with blood to their maximum. For instance, I started to be smaller (and less hard) starting about 2 years ago and then discovered my T was low a year later. However, if I take 50 mg of viagra then I am the same as I was 10 or 20 years ago. If I use a VED then my wife thinks it is harder and bigger than it ever was. Well, until I take the restrictor band off.
     
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    Matt Muscle

    Matt Muscle Junior Member

    I don't think anything permanently causes shrinkage to the penis, but I found being on TRT caused my whole package to shrink in size.
    hcg did help restore everything and getting my TRT tuned so that estrogen was in a better range also helped, but since being natural for nearly two years it all looks a lot bigger and healthier.

    The flaccid size of my penis is a lot bigger these days. Being on hormones definitely affected this negatively. Even when hard it was not quite as large as it gets now. There just seems to be more bloodflow in the penis full stop.

    The very complex balance of hormones that comprise the HPTA, I think influence this greatly.

    So certain conditions can shrink your penis.
     
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    AlexanderDenmark

    AlexanderDenmark Junior Member

    If it looks smaller and feels smaller, then that's bad enough.
     
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    EndoMan

    EndoMan Junior Member

    I had these symptoms:

    Ball sack contraction, disappear.
    Cold all the time, hot showers and baths helped for short time.
    Penis acting dead, nothing would wake it.
    Penis seemed smaller.
    No morning wood.
    Have super hot asian chick and would deflate most times.
    Could not orgasm, only a hj would work and not all the time.
    Loss of sensation.

    After starting test and later hcg these did improve but not enough or came back after time.

    Only after starting thyroid, cortisol, and some mental stimulant did these return to normal, and over time have gotten better. I have added cialis at times and then it's better then ever.

    Thyroid is tricky, i started on .25 grain and got so hyper it was great. Over time after adding cortisol i am up to 3-4 grains a day and it is wonderful. Need to eat seaweed also, that seems to make the thyroid work better.

    I have a bad pituitary so this is what i need.

    Just some fun notes:

    Now the boys hang lo and swing to and fro. 90% of the time.
    Morning wood on demand.
    Can paint her from a couple feet away and lay down a few coats.
     
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    AlexanderDenmark

    AlexanderDenmark Junior Member

    Are you hypopitituary? When did these symptoms start? What is the mental stimulant you are taking?
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2009
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    Bridger

    Bridger Member

    Since i did a cycle of deca/dbol a few years back and suffered from hypogonadism as a result, it did shrink to a degree. Length that is, not girth. I remember reading somewhere that progesterone activity from the deca can somehow affect the penis.

    Since being on HRT the whole package seems to have tightened up so to speak, less blood flow than before. However erectile function and performance, arousal, etc are just fine.
     
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    EndoMan

    EndoMan Junior Member

    Yea, i have "Empty sella syndrome" which means my pit is almost gone. So all the signaling hormones from the pit are gone or very low.
    The cause is still unknown, but it may have been due to high altitude climbing and long distance running, at least that is the current thought on it.
    The mental stimulant that works best for me is Modafinil.
    Adrafinil is a cheaper form, and weaker.
    Also these are good:
    Piracetam or Aniaracetam
    CDP-Choline
    Vinpocetine
    GABA
    DMAE
     

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