Police State Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by heady muscle, Jan 14, 2015.

  1. heady muscle

    heady muscle Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

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  2. manafest

    manafest Member

    All I can say is WOW and disturbing..
  3. flenser

    flenser Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I didn't make it to the end. That was bad.
  4. flenser

    flenser Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Never call the police...

    Woman killed when Iowa police officer tries to shoot her German Shepherd

    A 34-year-old woman in Burlington, Iowa was shot and killed on Tuesday by an officer who was allegedly aiming for her dog during an argument, the Burlington Hawk Eye reported.

    The officer, identified as Jesse Hill, shot Autumn Mae Steele in front of her husband and 4-year-old son. Steele had been arrested a day earlier on domestic abuse charges, and Hill was there to escort her as she retrieved items from her home after being released from jail on Tuesday morning.

    Steele and her husband reportedly began arguing as she was putting the boy into her car. Hill was allegedly trying to break up the dispute when the couple’s German Shepherd approached him.

    “The dog startled the officer. The officer began shooting at the dog,” one witness told the Hawk Eye. “The officer was still shooting when he fell down in the snow.”

    Steele was taken to a local hospital, where she was pronounced dead from a gunshot to the chest.

    The Associated Press reported that the state’s Department of Criminal Investigation is still interviewing witnesses in connection with the incident.
  5. kawilt

    kawilt Member

    There seems to be absolutely nothing that can be done about the way things are turning out. All over the world. It's very frustrating. :(
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  6. heady muscle

    heady muscle Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I did had to skip the really disgusting parts. It was hard to watch. I posted this on another thread:

    Google cop shots unarmed man Billings, Montana
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  7. manafest

    manafest Member

    Once again....WOW...
  8. kawilt

    kawilt Member

    Well were certainly living in "interesting times".....what's next?
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  9. kawilt

    kawilt Member

    Part of an interview about police training and tactics.
    I'm wondering how are our academies training our police? Have most of them come in right from the military? Could PTSD have anything to do with any of this?
    When I was a kid sometimes we'd go out in the country at night and drive around in the fields and shoot rabbits. Cops came out one night, had there lights off and drove right up to where we were parked. Told us to get out of the car, and we did, still holding our rifles. They didn't have their guns drawn, just told us to put them down and asked us what in the hell we were doing. didn't arrest us even though we were trespassing, and let after giving us a speech, let us go. With our rifles. I think I would be dead if that happened now. Different times I guess.

    (AP Photo/Dave Collins)
    Maria Haberfeld is a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. A veteran of the Israel Defense Forces who also served in the Israel National Police, she has conducted research on police forces in multiple countries, and has also written many books on terrorism and policing, including Critical Issues in Police Training. We spoke on Friday about the events in Ferguson, Missouri, and the shooting of Kajieme Powell by St. Louis police, which was caught on video. Powell, brandishing a steak knife, approached officers, saying “Shoot me!.” As reported by the Post-Dispatch.

    Maria Haberfeld:
    Their assessment of the situation sometimes can be exaggerated based on their previous experience, based on what's going on in any given moment, based on the bystanders' reactions
    MH: Yes, but how you perceive the threat is a subjective thing, and how you go about neutralizing the threat is also a subjective thing, even though they're trained around this continuum of force that allows them to go from one step to another.

    PW: One thing I've seen in the discussions about this is, for instance, that the police in England and Wales fire their guns only a few times in a year.

    MH: Because they're not armed.

    PW: So that raises a couple of questions. If most of them are not armed, what do those police do if they don't have guns, and they're confronted with a suspect who, say, has a knife?

    An average training in the United States is fifteen weeks. Fifteen weeks is nothing.
    MH: First of all, there are a few countries where police forces are not armed—Ireland would be the other one. The British police have units that are armed, and if there is a situation that would require an armed backup, then the backup is called for. But a situation like this, where they have somebody with a knife, it's a simple explanation. It goes back to training. Police forces in U.K., in Ireland, in other countries where police forces are not armed, they have a much more extensive, in-depth training than we have. An average training in the United States is fifteen weeks. Fifteen weeks is nothing. Police forces in other countries have twice, three times as long training as we have here.
    It's all about how police officers are prepared to deal with people who pose threats to them or to others. This is not something that we should save money on, but to me, that's exactly what we're doing. We are saving money on police training, saying that it's very expensive to have longer training. And I think it's irresponsible in a democratic society to say that a profession that has the authority to use deadly force, we just should shorten the training because a longer training is too expensive. Basically, what we're doing is putting a dollar sign on people's lives, both police officers and members of the public.

    PW: So that means that if you're a policeman someplace else—England, France, Germany—you're going to be trained so that you're better capable of talking that person down and getting them to put down their knife or their pipe or whatever it is that they have?

    MH: No doubt in my mind, based on what I am seeing in police training in other countries, that police officers are better prepared to deal with the public over there than the ones we have here. No doubt in my mind, based on the research that I have done over the years.
  10. heady muscle

    heady muscle Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Good book to read:
    Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army
    jeremy scahill
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  11. kawilt

    kawilt Member

    They just moved down the street and hung out a different shingle.:)
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  12. 54chev

    54chev Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Its crazy that people turn their back on things. But really, we cant do much anyway. It would take a whole lot of people, most just like the comfort of their own lives to do anything or believe things happen.

    These pics go along with that first video

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  13. hunterbro

    hunterbro Member

    YouTube "Don't talk to the police"
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    flexx89 Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

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    flenser Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    They left a nice gun range and training facility behind. Not a member yet, but I will be.
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    Handcuffs, Leg Shackles and Tasers: The New Face of Punishment in the Public Schools
    By John W. Whitehead

    The Rutherford Institute

    January 27, 2015

    “In many parts of the country, teachers are viewed as beyond reproach, much like doctors, police officers, or clergy … and, therefore, are rarely challenged about their classroom conduct. In some cases, this means that actions that would be considered criminal if committed by a parent remain unchallenged by law enforcement if they occur in a school setting.”—Senator Tom Harkin, “Dangerous Use of Seclusion and Restraints in Schools Remains Widespread and Difficult to Remedy: A Review of Ten Cases

    Roughly 1500 kids are tied up or locked down every day by school officials in the United States.

    At least 500 students are locked up in some form of solitary confinement every day, whether it be a padded room, a closet or a duffel bag. In many cases, parents are rarely notified when such methods are used.

    On any given day when school is in session, kids who “act up” in class are pinned facedown on the floor, locked in dark closets, tied up with straps, bungee cords and duct tape, handcuffed, leg shackled, tasered or otherwise restrained, immobilized or placed in solitary confinement in order to bring them under “control.”

    In almost every case, these undeniably harsh methods are used to punish kids for simply failing to follow directions or throwing tantrums. Very rarely do the kids pose any credible danger to themselves or others.

    Unbelievably, these tactics are all legal, at least when employed by school officials or school resource officers (a.k.a. police officers) in the nation’s public schools.

    For example, in what may be the youngest example of a child being restrained in this way, in October 2014, a 4-year-old Virginia preschooler was handcuffed, leg shackled and transported to the sheriff’s office after reportedly throwing blocks and climbing on top of the furniture. School officials claim the restraints were necessary to protect the adults from injury.

    In New York, “school safety agents” tied a 5-year-old ADHD student to a chair with Velcro straps as a punishment for throwing a tantrum in class. Police officers claim the straps were necessary because the boy had tried to bite one of the adults.

    A 6-year-old kindergarten student in a Georgia public school was handcuffed, transported to the police station, and charged with simple battery of a schoolteacher and criminal damage to property for throwing a temper tantrum at school.

    A second-grader in Arizona who suffers from ADHD was duct-taped to her chair after getting up to sharpen her pencil too often.

    Kentucky school officials placed a 9-year-old autistic student in a duffel bag as a punishment acting up in class. Turns out, it wasn’t the first time the boy had been placed inside the “therapy bag.”

    An 11-year-old special needs student had his hands cuffed behind his back and was driven home in a police car after refusing to come inside after recess and acting in an out of control manner by “passively” resisting police officers.

    Unfortunately, these are far from isolated incidents.

    According to a ProPublica investigative report, such harsh punishments are part of a widespread phenomenon plaguing school districts across the country.

    Indeed, as investigative reporter Heather Vogell points out, this is a local story everywhere. It’s happening in my town. It’s happening in your town. It’s happening in every school district in America.

    In 2012 alone, there were more than 267,000 attempts by school officials to restrain or lock up students using straps, bungee cords, and duct tape. The numbers are likely far greater when one accounts for the schools that underreport their use of such tactics.

    Vogell found that “most [incidents] of restraints and seclusions happen to kids with disabilities—and are more likely to happen to kids with autism or emotional/behavioral problems.” Often due to their age, their emotional distress, or their disabilities, these young people are unable to tell their parents about the abusive treatment being meted out to them by school officials.

    At least 500 students are placed in “Scream Rooms” every day (there were 104,000 reported uses of scream rooms in a given year). For those unfamiliar with the term, a “scream room” is an isolated, unmonitored, locked room—sometimes padded, often as small as four-feet-by-four-feet—which school officials use to place students in seclusion.

    These scream rooms are a far cry from the tested and approved “time out,” which involves monitoring the child in a non-locked setting in order to calm him down. As psychiatrist Keith Albow points out, “Scream rooms are nothing but solitary confinement, and by extension, that makes every school that uses them a prison. They turn principals into wardens and make every student an inmate.”

    Schools acting like prisons. School officials acting like wardens. Students treated like inmates and punished like hardened criminals.

    This is the end product of all those so-called school “safety” policies, which run the gamut from zero tolerance policies that punish all infractions harshly to surveillance cameras, metal detectors, random searches, drug-sniffing dogs, school-wide lockdowns, active-shooter drills and militarized police officers.

    Paradoxically, instead of making the schools safer, school officials have succeeded in creating an environment in which children are so traumatized that they suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, nightmares, anxiety, mistrust of adults in authority, as well as feelings of anger, depression, humiliation, despair and delusion.

    Even in the face of parental outrage, lawsuits, legislative reforms, investigative reports and endless cases showing that these tactics are not working and “should never be used for punishment or discipline,” full-grown adults—police officers and teachers alike—insist that the reason they continue to handcuff, lock up and restrain little kids is because they fear for their safety and the safety of others.

    “Fear for one’s safety” has become such a hackneyed and threadbare excuse for behavior that is inexcusable. Dig a little deeper and you’ll find that explanation covers a multitude of sins, whether it’s poorly trained police officers who shoot first and ask questions later, or school officials who are ill-equipped to deal with children who act like children, meaning they don’t always listen, they sometimes throw tantrums, and they have a hard time sitting still.

    That’s not to say all schools are bad. In fact, there are a small but growing number of schools that are proactively switching to a policy of Positive Behavior Interventions and Supports (PBIS), which relies on the use of “engaging instruction, combined with acknowledgement or feedback of positive student behavior,” in order to reduce the need for unnecessary discipline and promote a climate of greater productivity, safety, and learning. One school in Pennsylvania for children with significant behavior challenges found that they were able to “reduce the use of physical restraint from approximately 1,000 incidents per year in 1998 to only three incidents total in 2012” after switching to a PBIS-oriented program. If exposed to this positive reinforcement early enough in school, by the time a student makes it to the third grade, little to no intervention is required.

    Unfortunately, these schools are still in the minority in an age that values efficiency, expediency and conformity, where it’s often faster and easier to “lock down” a kid who won’t sit still, won’t follow orders, and won’t comply.

    Certainly, this is a mindset we see all too often in the American police state.

    So what’s the answer, not only for the here-and-now—the children growing up in these quasi-prisons—but for the future of this country? How do you convince a child who has been routinely handcuffed, shackled, tied down, locked up, and immobilized by government officials—all before he reaches the age of adulthood—that he has any rights at all, let alone the right to challenge wrongdoing, resist oppression and defend himself against injustice?

    Most of all, as I point out in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, how do you persuade a fellow American that the government works for him when for most of his young life, he has been incarcerated in an institution that teaches young people to be obedient and compliant citizens who don’t talk back, don’t question and don’t challenge authority?

    Peter Gray, a professor of psychology at Boston College, believes that school is a prison that is damaging our kids, and it’s hard to disagree, especially with the numbers of police officers being assigned to schools on the rise. What this means, notes Mother Jones, is greater police “involvement in routine discipline matters that principals and parents used to address without involvement from law enforcement officers.”

    Students, in turn, are not only finding themselves subjected to police tactics such as handcuffs, leg shackles, tasers and excessive force for “acting up” but are also being ticketed, fined and sent to court for behavior perceived as defiant, disruptive or disorderly such as spraying perfume and writing on a desk.

    Clearly, the pathology that characterizes the American police state has passed down to the schools. Now in addition to the government and its agents viewing the citizenry as suspects to be probed, poked, pinched, tasered, searched, seized, stripped and generally manhandled, all with the general blessing of the court, our children in the public schools are also fair game.

    What can be done?

    Without a doubt, change is needed, but that will mean taking on the teachers’ unions, the school unions, the educators’ associations, and the police unions, not to mention the politicians dependent on their votes and all of the corporations that profit mightily from an industrial school complex.

    As we’ve seen with other issues, any significant reforms will have to start locally and trickle upwards. For a start, parents need to be vocal, visible and organized and demand that school officials 1) adopt a policy of positive reinforcement in dealing with behavior issues; 2) minimize the presence in the schools of police officers and cease involving them in student discipline; and 3) insist that all behavioral issues be addressed first and foremost with a child’s parents, before any other disciplinary tactics are attempted.

    “Children are the messages we send to a time we will not see,” Professor Neil Postman once wrote. If we do not rein in the police state’s influence in the schools, the future to which we are sending our children will be characterized by a brutal, totalitarian regime.
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  17. kawilt

    kawilt Member

    Most people don't realize just who their children "legally" belong to.
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  18. Big_paul

    Big_paul Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Trigger happy cops. Fuck all of them. We are supposed to respect the mf's because they are out harassing the public.

    I'm enjoying watching the nypd through a temper tantrum. Arrogant bastards

    Here is something you may be interested in. My nephew got busted at school for some grass. I m talking to the resource officer, and all he had to say was how fucked up the kid is.

    About a year later that same cop got busted for molesting infant children.

    Almost forgot the best part. My degenerate nephew was in jail when the cop got busted, the kids job was bringing the inmates food.
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  19. flenser

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    EXCLUSIVE: Subways will run empty overnight during snowstorm, source says

    Ghost trains are running under Brooklyn tonight.

    Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s move to shut off the city’s subway system overnight on Monday ahead of an anticipated blizzard came as a surprise to transit workers and runs against common sense, because the trains need to move as part of keeping the tracks clear and will be running all night anyway, according to a transit insider. The governor’s 6 pm announcement that subway and bus service would be halted completely at 11 pm blindsided the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s Incident Command Center, where workers first heard about it on the news, said the source, who lacks authorization to speak about internal matters and asked to remain anonymous.

    The claim that trains were running empty appeared to be confirmed by the NYC Subway Time app for Android, which says it uses real-time data provided by the Transportation Authority. Around midnight, the app showed activity in both directions on all train lines in the city. The only exceptions were Manhattan’s 42nd Street Shuttle and the B and C trains, which do not run at night.

    The halting of subway service is the first ever for a snowstorm. It is ill-considered because an actual turning-off of the entire system requires moving all the cars to far-flung facilities for storage, as the agency did during Hurricane Sandy, when flooding was a concern, and rebooting from that takes ages, the insider said. Emergency personnel will be riding the trains overnight while no one else is allowed to, per the source. The closure will strand people and put lives at risk, not because the subways can’t run, but because Cuomo wants to look good, the source said.

    “I think it’s horrible, purely political decision, not based on anything that’s needed,” the insider said. “It seemed like cutting out a necessary lifeline unnecessarily.”

    As much as two feet of snow are expected tonight and into tomorrow. Schools, courts, and offices have closed, and Cuomo has ordered drivers off the streets starting at 11 pm, under threat of arrest.

    “This blizzard is forecasted to be one of the worst this region has seen, and we must put safety first and take all the necessary precautions,” Cuomo said in a statement. “Commuters and drivers need to get home before the storm completely cripples our transit networks and roads.”

    The lack of ground transportation options makes keeping the subway open all the more important, the transit source said.

    “The underground lifeline should be open,” the source said.

    During snowstorms, limited closures along low-lying, outdoor sections of track such as the Brighton B and Q line makes sense, but the majority of the subway system runs on underground and elevated lines that are largely protected from the storms’ impact, the insider said.

    A Twitter exchange between a Transportation Authority data scientist and a New York Post reporter appears to corroborate the agency being caught off guard by the governor’s announcement. Shortly before Cuomo’s bombshell, the transit wonk wrote that outdoor portions of the N, A, and Q, lines may be suspended. But when the reporter pointed out Cuomo was saying the plug would be pulled, the worker deferred to public relations.

    Later, the data scientist lamented that stranded New Yorkers might resort to loosely regulated services such as Uber to catch now-illegal rides through the storm.

    “Not a good plan from the governor,” Samuel Wong wrote. “The startup procedures will be fun.”

    Following publication of this article, Wong wrote that the changes meant many workers would have to “stay overnight.”

    Early Tuesday morning, a transit agency spokesman confirmed that “a handful” of trains were running in the system to prevent rust buildup on the rails, including trains equipped with scrapers and de-icing sprayers. Work crews were also being transported by subway, the spokesman said. The spokesman declined to comment on the efficacy of the service cancellation but said Cuomo made the decision in consultation with transit agency chairman Tom Prendergast.

    On Monday afternoon, Prendergast said there would be “no reason” to halt underground service.

    “I don’t believe so,” he said when asked if such a stoppage was likely. “Because there’d be no reason — because we’d be able to run trains.”

    The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is effectively controlled by the governor, who nominates the members of its 17-person board. Members are confirmed by the state Senate.

    The Brooklyn Paper has reached out to the governor’s office and will update this story if we hear back.
  20. kawilt

    kawilt Member

    Welcome to your world:)
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