Mishka
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If you are afraid or needles, don't even think about doing PEDs.
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Anabolic Steroids
Question about my cycle
- Thread starter Kendinal
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Also, on a side note:
I would really appreciate ONLY helpful comments, obviously I fucked up with not introducing myself in first place, therfor I'm sorry.
Since most of y'all are experts I'm seeking for good recommendations on how to loose body fat and get "leaner".
If you guys tell me Carderine + Stenabolic isn't a good stack or doesn't do what I'm looking for, I appreciate your answer.
To be honest I'm just afraid of needles and to actually hit the right muscles etc...
As mentioned, I'm a newbie so therefor I can't know everything yet,
I'm just confident to know how to train & what/when to eat.
Best Regards
I would really appreciate ONLY helpful comments, obviously I fucked up with not introducing myself in first place, therfor I'm sorry.
Since most of y'all are experts I'm seeking for good recommendations on how to loose body fat and get "leaner".
If you guys tell me Carderine + Stenabolic isn't a good stack or doesn't do what I'm looking for, I appreciate your answer.
To be honest I'm just afraid of needles and to actually hit the right muscles etc...
As mentioned, I'm a newbie so therefor I can't know everything yet,
I'm just confident to know how to train & what/when to eat.
Best Regards
Is an Oral cycle really that bad or useless?
Mishka
Member
I'd say cycling in general is bad. Go on forever, or stay away from PEDs. IMHO.
Also oral only is considered bad too.
It is much harsher on your organs etc.
I, myself, had problems with injections all my life too - hated to get a vac / to let the doc draw blood. But once you get used to it, it is like going to the bakery in the morning to get your bread. No problem.
I don't like to inject up until this day, but I know it is a "necessary evil", so I do it. And I advise everyone who wants to do PEDs, inject them - and don't come off and take cancer medications for PCT - do blast and cruise/trt phases.
BoloYang2023
Member
ok man now ill be a tiny bit helpful ORAl only would never be recommended. And even then orals would only be added into a cycle for shows and contest prep. they are super effective. And Mishka is right Cycling is bad. lmfao its like chasing the dragon per say. but now that i have started and i cruise and blast and cruise i cant stop lol. in my mind i constantly want to look better and leaner. The best advice man and you know this is eat healthy and train hard. Most people do gain a little weight when they enter relationships its called that happy weight or some shit lol idk. but honestly if you want to run peds the best advice is to run Test and test only for your first cycle and you are young to think about running test imo. because i know test begins to slow decline at the age of 25 for some. but i am sure you can drop the pounds with just training and eating right. you can't out exercise or PED a bad diet.
lukiss96
Well-known Member
It's not useless, it has it's place. Say you're a model and for a photoshoot you need to really look outstanding, you can take oxandrolone for a few weeks just to get that aesthetic cosmetic effect which is temporary and will fade away once you stop taking it. This is also easy to recover from.
Note:
This is just an example, there are many scenarios were you might consider it. For most people it's just not optimal. If you were on TRT popping occassional oral is fine.
Thank you people so far for the information, there are definitely quite a lot of different opinions here and there.
According to other websites: Ostarine + Carderine should be a good stack as well. Is it just promoting the product for some reason/propaganda, or..?
Maybe someone has an idea about it
According to other websites: Ostarine + Carderine should be a good stack as well. Is it just promoting the product for some reason/propaganda, or..?
Maybe someone has an idea about it
lukiss96
Well-known Member
There are tried and true things. Sarms and other stuff are relatively new. If you're willing to experiment it's up to you. Don't expect as good results as with steroids. They are not 100% safe either, sarms been shown to suppress natural Testosterone. So in the end it's your choice.
Dirthand
Well-known Member
There is no possible way you have trained for 8 years and are 35-40% bf. Also when a dude trains there we call them chest some may even say pecs. Well... maybe when I think about it at 40%bf they may be breast. .. the only way we can know for sure is for you to send us a picture!!!
Some guys here insist on pictures of TITTIES
BoloYang2023
Member
you are a fucking savage and i laughed so hard lmfao
Thanks for the useful reply!
Any recommendations what Steroids I could take to get leaner or whatever, with low side effects/ I have some kind of anxiety issues.
Poggers!
I misscalculated it, it's 27% as shown in the picture
fooba
Well-known Member
youre missing the point. youre fat. learn to diet and lose weight without drugs before using drugs. you can use all the drugs in the world but youre not gonna achieve shit if your diet is still shit.
readalot
Member
Very quick read so read it a few times.
Get your waist circumference to height ratio down to 0.5 before considering any drugs. May seem extreme but my $0.02. Reevaluate the AAS after at least a good 12 months of serious dedication to changing your eating habits and training.
Where is your blood work? Always get baseline blood work before considering any AAS. It does not sound like you need any AAS. Eat right and train hard. Get and stay healthy.
The mental effects of AAS are often underappreciated. Another reason for you to strongly reconsider given your anxiety issues. Be methodical and use AAS last, not first (again dependent on how far you want to take this).
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JC Grifter
Well-known Member
Steroids won’t help you burn fat. It’s only used on a cut to maintain muscle in a large deficit. With you being at such a high body fat, it won’t take big changes in your diet to get the ball rolling. Also remember fat loss is a marathon not a sprint. It took time to put the fat on, it’s going to take time to burn it off.
For now just create a caloric deficit and use training to burn calories. Adjust accordingly as you plateau. During this time read up as much as you can about proper nutrition and training. Start researching steroids. Gain as much knowledge as you can during the fat loss process. If you do this, you will set yourself up for success in the future
For now just create a caloric deficit and use training to burn calories. Adjust accordingly as you plateau. During this time read up as much as you can about proper nutrition and training. Start researching steroids. Gain as much knowledge as you can during the fat loss process. If you do this, you will set yourself up for success in the future
readalot
Member
And just to clarify for the uneducated...
These aren't cancer medications. These are AIs and SERMs that happen to be used in the treatment of cancers. "PCT" can also take the form of wait and recover along with the option of hCG then serm or AI.
If old enough, then yes blast and cruise or cruise/TRT or blast/TRT are valid methods.
However, cycling on for 12 weeks and then off for 8 weeks is another option (used successfully by many in the 70s/80s/90s). Seems to have fallen out of vogue with the internet age. You have to realize that with long estered AAS the drug will remain active in your system for weeks after your last shot. Hence for 4 to 5 weeks after your last shot (of the 8 you aren't injecting) you are still "on" to some degree.
1 cycle a year (12 or 16 weeks out of 52 weeks) is just asking for pain unless you are a young mutant (Arnold/Levrone examples) and very strong minded. 1 step forward and 1 or 1.2 steps backward.
Anyway TRT seems to be the gateway to AAS abuse for lots of people. I have preached about TRT (what it is and what it isn't for years now) and even I am struggling with not running 200 mg/week of test ester for most of the year. Be careful what you wish for!
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BoloYang2023
Member
Bro he is 26 years old... I mean he might have low T but ya know... In my opinion @Kendinal Diet and exercise properly man. I cut to a 6 pack and trust me you dont want to waste your first actual cycle on a cut cycle... I am 100000000% sure everyone in the world with knowledge and experience in this AAS life will tell you that. And the ones who did waste it on a cut are like MFER and mad as shit lmfao. because to be 100% honest your first cycle is the best usually, as long as you have reached your natural peak, proper training, and proper dieting and understand how AAS works as well how your body responds to certain foods and what not nutrition wise you will get INSANE gains... Maybe not as insane as some others but i promise you you will be like fuck yea it was worth it. BUT, If you got shit genetics itll take a couple blasts just saying. Unfortunately some people got amazing genetics and AAS just sends them into looking like a fucking Greek God. So also keep this in mind. but yea man train hard and diet hard. Trust me if you need help with nutrition guidance and training plenty of people here will help you man
readalot
Member
Agreed, I already advised him the same above. I was moving on and addressing @Mishka1903 's comments.
I think this is correct for experienced users with FFMI well in excess of 25, but you have to keep in mind that different people are at very different levels of muscularity and have wildly different goals.
For someone like this (imaginary) fat guy who is ostensibly just looking to reach his potential faster, the gains from a couple of cycles would be just about 100% keepable, at least minus any minor losses during PCT when T is in the toilet.
readalot
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I want to seek to understand here and am not being argumentative:
% for those not on the body dysmophic spectrum) that is sustainable with their natural endogenous hormone levels (100% baseline - no AAS exposure)?
If so, how would you properly test this hypothesis?
The idea is to gamble (potentially negatively impact) your intact HPTA in order to reach your genetic potential faster (potential that would be attainable with intact HPTA)?
If I take AAS, I surely don't want to look my natural best faster. But that's just me. Is this a new thing? I have honestly never heard of it.
When you say "potential" you are referring to an individual's FFMI at a given %BF (e.g., 12 or 15
% for those not on the body dysmophic spectrum) that is sustainable with their natural endogenous hormone levels (100% baseline - no AAS exposure)?
If so, how would you properly test this hypothesis?
The idea is to gamble (potentially negatively impact) your intact HPTA in order to reach your genetic potential faster (potential that would be attainable with intact HPTA)?
If I take AAS, I surely don't want to look my natural best faster. But that's just me. Is this a new thing? I have honestly never heard of it.
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