Questions for my CLEN/T3/YOHIMBINE (ketotifen) cycle

Discussion in 'Steroid Forum' started by matz, Apr 11, 2016.

  1. matz

    matz Member

    Hi guys !
    Here are my personal informations:

    Second cycle (2weeks clen only ended 2 days ago).
    80 kilos (177 pounds)
    11%bf
    1,81 centimeter (6ft)
    Trained for 3 years
    23 years old
    Train pretty much everyday (i can't have a rest day without a cardio or abs seance i know its bad)
    From what i heard , a diet on clen should be low fat/moderate carbs/high protein which looks like : 2100 cals : 50g fat, 160g carbs, 250g proteins.


    Here is the different products i am going to use during this cycle .

    Liquid clen 30mL 200mcg/ml
    Liquid t3 30mL 150mcg/ml
    Liquid Keto 30mL 1mg/mL
    Primaforce Yohimbine HCI 2.5mg/caps

    complement used : Taurine, ZMA, BCAA/Gluta/Creatin/whey, multi vitamins (opti-men).

    First of all let me explain you where i am right now , i started my cycle clen only 2weeks ago to see how i react to it , on the first day i made the mistakes of using a big syringe which was the only one i had so i messed up the dosage ( probably took 60-75 mcg straight ) and i threw up the whole night and had stomach ache, after this lesson i did not took it and waited 2 days later to have a smaller syringe in hand to dose it properly , so i went gradually from 20mcg to 160mcg at the end of the second week , the sides effects i got was some cramps (only 1 big cramp in 2 weeks), hand shaking but really tolerable even at 160mcg ( feels like i got used to it really quickly because the sides did not really change through the whole cycle i was thinking about going even higher but 160 was the safe limit from what i read )

    As the novice that i am , i have listened to people saying that we can run an ECA stack during the weeks off clen . I been taking it for 2 days now (3x 25mg E/200mg C/81mg A), i did not feel anything but tired so i deducted that my receptors were downregulate from the clen .


    Now that i know how i react to clen, i wanted to add some t3 and yohimbine (i never tried both). so i planned to try the yohimbine alone for a few days while throwing some benadryl at night to upregulate my receptor at the same time. (If benadryl actually work because reviews are confusing) Btw i am using ketotifen because i already used clen for 2 weeks recently and my receptors seems to go down pretty fast (and the efficiently of benadryl is unsure), i know we usually use ketotifen for a longer cycle but i don't see anything wrong with doing that to make sure the receptors are fine.

    If i get a good reaction on the yohimbine , my cycle would looks like this .

    day 1 : Clen 100mcg+ T3 25mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    day 2 : Clen 100mcg+ T3 25mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed

    day 3 : Clen 100mcg+ T3 25mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 4 : Clen 100mcg+ T3 50mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 5 : Clen 100mcg+ T3 50mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 6 : Clen 100mcg+ T3 50mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 7 : Clen 100mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 8 : Clen 120mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 9 : Clen 120mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 10 : Clen 120mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 11 : Clen 140mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 12 : Clen 140mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 13 : Clen 140mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 14 : Clen 160mcg+ T3 75mcg+ yohimbine 5mg +2mg KETO before bed
    Day 15 : T3 50mcg+ yohimbine 5mg
    Day 16 : T3 50mcg+ yohimbine 5mg
    Day 17 : T3 50mcg+ yohimbine 5mg
    Day 18 : T3 50mcg+ yohimbine 5mg
    Day 19 : T3 25mcg+ yohimbine 5mg
    Day 20 : T3 25mcg+ yohimbine 5mg
    Day 21 : T3 25mcg+ yohimbine 5mg

    Day 22 : T3 25mcg+ yohimbine 5mg

    Any advices on my cycle are welcome !

    Here is the questions i would like to have the answer to before starting my cycle .

    I would like to know first if adding yohimbine to a clen/t3 cycle which is already pretty heavy is a good idea and if anyone else tried it to give me reviews on it ?
    (i dont feel like im really reactif to any stimulants , i didnt feel my heart beating too fast on 160mcg clen and i did not really sweat more than usually)

    If yes i would like to know more about the timing for taking yohimbine and T3 , i have been reading the article that Thor made about t3 and clen but i wonder if it would works the same with yohimbine, since yohimbine timing need to be away from insulin production to be efficient, it make the whole cycle kinda complicated . So when would it be the best time to take yohimbine ?

    And also i have seen all kind of article about the yohimbine dose (0.2/kg), should i take this dose on my few days of yohimbine only to give it a try ? should i up the dosage everyday like i did on clen ? should i lower it when i add the clen/T3 ? Or keeping it to 5mg would be effective ?

    I know the cycle is pretty short but it would not be a problem to make it longer if you guys think it would be better .

    Thank you so much for your help guys ! First time i post a cycle let me know if i forgot anything .
     
  2. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I am guessing your goal here is strictly fat loss? What is your BF % now?

    When I competed, I would take the yohimbine on an empty stomach in the am and in pm(bedtime). I would take the T3 in the am as well. I would start at 2.5 on yohimbine and work up to 5 if its your first time. You can run it with the Clen, but being your first time using it, I wouldn't. It tends to raise BP and heart rate.
    I would not take the clen longer than 4 weeks even though you are using keto. I usually go 4 on 4 off even when using keto. And actually I use albuterol now, it has much fewer sides. If I were you I would run the ECA stack during those 4 weeks off the Clen.

    Also watch your BP, I would recommend checking yours daily along with pulse. The combination of these three has always thrown mine outta whack a little bit. Clen and ECA together is a heart attack waiting to happen, so be proactive and be safe. Also, if you start to feel like crap on the yohimbine, drop it first, it doesn't agree with everyone.
    You could also do 2 weeks on Yohimbine, then switch to Clen for 2 weeks, then switch to ECA for 2 weeks then repeat. This has also been effective for me in the past..
    Remember check your BP...
     
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  3. matz

    matz Member

    Thank you for the advices, im around 11% body fat right now , but running ECA during week off clen hit the same receptor doesn't it ? If yes then it means i should take keto while on ECA?
     
  4. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Yes Ephedrine will downregulate the beta-2s and I think even more so than clen... I always used the keto when using either one. What is your goal BF%
     
  5. matz

    matz Member

    My goal would be 8% , did you ever try benadryl for the same purpose as keto ? And btw is ur thyroid ok after your t3 cycle(s) ?
     
  6. my only advice would be careful. I used to use yohimbe and I had massive anxiety attacks, took me weeks to figure out the root cause
     
  7. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I have heard of some using Benadryl (but not as effective), but I have never used it for the same purpose as Keto. I also frequently use T4 also with GH, and over the years I have my labs checked at least on a quarterly basis (CBC w/diff, Lipid panel, Female Hormone Panel, BMP) and I have never had any issues with my thyroid. The key is to check your labs on a regular basis so if there is a problem you will know. Always do a baseline set of labs so you know your norm, all of us vary somewhat (not alot) but its important..
     
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  8. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Yeah, it doesn't seem to agree with many people.
     
  9. matz

    matz Member

    What dose did you use ? lot of people recomend to use it as 0.2/kg for example if im 80 kilos i should take 16 mg , so like 7 pills. is it safe as long as we don't take more than 0.2 or ?
     
  10. I can't remember exactly but I believe over time it builds up in the liver....so the same dose you were using early on, starts to have more dramatic effects as time progress. Whereas with most drugs we develop tolerance over time, it's like the inverse relationship. It was really bad man, I was at a total loss but I looked online and read lots of reports that others experienced the same sides. I was runnin ECA with yohimbe and DHEA, cant remember the doses
     
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  11. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I would start off low, 2.5 twice a day first thing in AM and right before bed. If you handle that then bump to 5 and 5. 16 is too much to start with..
     
  12. matz

    matz Member

    Can i ask why before bed ? isnt it suppose to kinda boost me up since some side effects are fast heart beat , sweating etc ... ? and hours away from the last meal i guess ?
     
  13. matz

    matz Member

    I also heard about taking half dose on the preworkout ( the whey shouldn't mess up the yohimbine) or in case it does , taking the yohimbine in the midle of the workout since the glycogen level should be low and without insulin, in order to get the effect when doing the cardio postworkout , what you guys think about it ?
     
  14. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    You want to take it on an empty stomach for best results. I have never heard of anyone taking it during a workout, but you can certainly give it a shot.. I came to the realization that if I took it first thing and last thing each day, it was most effective and sides were minimized.
     
  15. I don't think timing is going to be nearly as critical as you may believe...it's been several years now but i remember after I pinpointed the yohimbe as the culprit and discontinued use, it still took me 7-10 days before i was back to feeling normal. Fucking herbs man, take awhile to see effects but linger as well. It can jack your BP up too and make your run hot, I was dumping sweat all the time.
     
  16. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Man, that is the truth there.. It jacks my BP up. And don't even try to touch it if you are using tren either.. You may instantaneously combust. The timing I think is something each person has to adjust for their own liking. I had the best results from early AM late PM.
     
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  17. I wasnt taking any aas at the time but there are a lot of things that have interactions I remember...alcohol will aggravate a lot of this sides more for me. Also in high doses it acts as like a mild hallucinogen, make you bug out o_O
     
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  18. Yohimbine is a creeper. Especially the standardized Yohimbine depending if it's 2% or more. Depending on the quality of the manufacturer and the consistency of the potency will depend how you will react. It is one of those things that the average Joe should opt out of because it affects you in more ways then one. As TEK said, anxiety, jitteriness, feelin hot, and even mild trip with Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is all possible. But the one thing if you can handle it and it becomes a part of your arsenal once you surpass the initiation phase and the body accepts it, it mainly helped out with the vasodilation and stamina. But then again I stayed on it for years on end. No bullshit. Whether it was Primaforce 2.5 mg 2 doses at every meal, to bumping it up with Twinlab Fuel 8mg, 2 pills every 4 hours 3x a day. That with the combination of caffeine, adrenaline and hate never had any problems. But it is one of those things either your body will accept it or you will suffer sides like a mofo. For the general concessions of the public their are milder things to take, or jump towards the Eca stack, or things that will help out with the beta-2 receptors. Yohimbine has been talked since 1997 Bill Phillips days and more people found out the hard way that especially if you don't have a healthy lifestyle and good roadways or the blood to pump, this herb will go in, and start pumping blood whether you want it or not. Start low, taper up, but in this new day and age of performance enhancing substances stick with things that work, cause Yohimbine is the Boogeyman in a lot of circles if you don't know how to use it. Like I said I stay on it all year round, but then again my body built the tolerance for it and it never used it for bb'ding purposes. Just as a general stack. Moral of this rant is, start low taper up, but their are more beneficial things if your looking to target specific receptors to burn fat...
     
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  19. Gunrunner

    Gunrunner Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Clen and Ephedrine both work on the Beta receptors and by switching from one to the other you are keeping the Beta Receptors down regulated. Yohimbine HCL works on the Alpha receptors and can be alternated with Clen to keep receptors fresh. In general I like to do two weeks on Clen and then two weeks on Yohimbine HCL.

    I also like to start Clen at the lowest level possible. I actually start at 10mcg and can feel it and don't increase until I start to not feel its side effects. It never made sense to me to see how much your body can handle and just max out from there.

    I'm just telling you what I do. I'm not telling you what you should do.

     
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  20. CeymoreButtz

    CeymoreButtz Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    I like to alternate the clen and ECA every 2 weeks and use Keto for the receptors for the entire 4 weeks. This works extremely well for me. Then you are not worrying about fresh receptors and can put in the Y after the 4 weeks and then repeat as needed. But check the BP...