Right amount of Test. ???

Bosnian_Brawler

Junior Member
My buddy want to do a cycle of Deca only (he is concerned with side effects). I am trying to convince him to add some test to his cycle, just so he wouldn't get "deca-dick" (not that I care, but his gf will) and also to help with restoring his Testosterone levels. How much test. should he add without any major side effects you usually get from test.. Guy please consider this, this would be his first cycle and he is not that big (5'9 - 220 lbs) so do not compare your usual dosage because most of you are much bigger and more experienced users....

Thanks
 

Porthoz

Junior Member
well not that I am greatly experienced but I think it is pretty common to go with only TEST for your first cycle, since you will get all the gains possible with just the Test, and then intoduce EQ or Deca down the road....

If your buddy is thinking of doing Deca only I would tell him to do some more research, or stop talking to whoever recommended that idea to him or he will end up regreting it...

250mgs of Test-E twice per week would be a perfect first cycle and he will probably have little to no side effects off that low a dosage...


What does your buddy have in mind for his PCT???
 
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Bosnian_Brawler

Junior Member
Well he is affraid of some sides from Test...(acne, hair loss, etc) I suggested Primo or Anavar but he thinks that he could get more out of Deca cycle and it's cheaper too...I am not sure what does he have for PCT, but he mentioned that he could get some Nolva ......
 

Porthoz

Junior Member
Like I mentioned.... I am not prefessional by any means when if comes to this sort of stuff... In fact I am just starting my first cycle next week...

but what I can definately tell you is that anyone who plans to start a cycle should defiantely be well researched on the subject before they make any decisions... It sounds like your friend heard about deca or just did an hour's worth of research somwhere online and made a decision. The fact that he hasn't even mentioned his PCT, and that he says he is worried about side effects, yet he wants to do deca alone makes me think he has no clue what he is doing...

If he is insisting on doing deca, then I would recommend stacking the deca at 300mgs per week along with 500mgs of test on a 10 week cycle, and following it up after 2 weeks with a 6 week cycle of Novaldex at a rate of 40, 40,30,30,20,10 mgs/day...

also I personally think EQ is better then Deca as far as side effects are concerned.... and 500mgs of Test per week is pretty safe from what I am heard in the way of side effects...
 
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HDH

Member
I'm actually surprised to hear that the Deca is cheaper than the Test. You really can't make him do anything that he doesn't want to do. All you can do is give him info and let him make his own decisions. He will make gains on the Deca only cycle but it just isn't the best choice. 500mg of Test just isn't the poison that he thinks it is.

HDH
 

jsupstarz

Junior Member
Bosnian_Brawler said:
Well he is affraid of some sides from Test...(acne, hair loss, etc) I suggested Primo or Anavar but he thinks that he could get more out of Deca cycle and it's cheaper too...I am not sure what does he have for PCT, but he mentioned that he could get some Nolva ......
That's bogus if the deca is cheaper. And I too wouldn't recommend it. Maybe prop cycle if he doesn't mind injections.
 

Bosnian_Brawler

Junior Member
I didn't mean to say that Deca is cheaper than Test but rather cheaper than Anavar. I made a suggestion to take Anavar instead of Deca, since he is concerned with side effects, but he thinks (i agree) that price/results ratio is better with Deca than with Anavar....What about 250 mg of test, would that help at all, or is it pointless taking anything less than 500 mg...I
 

HDH

Member
Bosnian_Brawler said:
I didn't mean to say that Deca is cheaper than Test but rather cheaper than Anavar. I made a suggestion to take Anavar instead of Deca, since he is concerned with side effects, but he thinks (i agree) that price/results ratio is better with Deca than with Anavar....What about 250 mg of test, would that help at all, or is it pointless taking anything less than 500 mg...I
That's going to depend on what and how much is stacked with it. Some use a low dose of Test like that to help with libido and some need more.

Price /results ratio - Just do 500mg EW of the Test and tell him to stop being a baby about the sides :D

HDH
 

BBC3

Member
I can tell you I am on my first cycle. It is test only 500mg/wk. I am going into my 5th week and have absolutely NO side effects. I can't imagine how much it would take to get a side, but I'm pretty sure I will find out before I am done. I just now am starting to feel good like I am 22 again. The most noticable results I have are increased endurance, some good strength gain, and great recovery time. No real size or bloat whatsoever.... Should have front loaded, but I was afraid of complications being my first cycle and all... When you hear these guys talk about a 500mg weekly dose of test being a "low dose", they really aren't kidding.
 

RexRegum27

Junior Member
Bosnian_Brawler said:
Well he is affraid of some sides from Test...(acne, hair loss, etc) I suggested Primo or Anavar but he thinks that he could get more out of Deca cycle and it's cheaper too...I am not sure what does he have for PCT, but he mentioned that he could get some Nolva ......


yo heres my advice. he should run
1-12 test at 500 mg/wk
1-11 deca at 400 mg/wk
1-12 adex .5 EOD
OPTIONAL 1-4 dbol 30 mg/wk


start pct 2 weeks after last test shot. I would include HCG throughout, but its not necessary. now for the acne get some witch hazel and wash his face twice a day with it and he'll be good. if he is especially prone to acne tell him to get some acutane and it will be fine. now hairloss, which is wut i was concerned about tell him to do this stack, this stack is especially strong and works better than finestride.

azelaic acid and minoxidil both 5 percent twice a day starting 2 weeks prior to cycle end two weeks after cycle.
spiro cream twice a day starting 2 weeks prior to cycle and ending 2 weeks after cycle

I use this stack with great results, and my friend who has MPB uses this and he runs tren with test, and three yearls later his hairline is intact. now for roid rage on test, im proud of it, and actually like the fact I have roid rage....but thats me give me an excuse to be an asshole and i will ride the shit out of that sum bitch. On a final note, no way in hell is deca cheaper. Now if he still does not want to run test cycle. then deca wk 1-12 400-500 mg/wk and tell him to get some vitamin b6 and cabergoline. the caber should prevent deca dick, tell him to have cialis on hand.
 

jsupstarz

Junior Member
RexRegum27 said:
yo heres my advice. he should run
1-12 test at 500 mg/wk
1-11 deca at 400 mg/wk
1-12 adex .5 EOD
OPTIONAL 1-4 dbol 30 mg/wk


start pct 2 weeks after last test shot. I would include HCG throughout, but its not necessary. now for the acne get some witch hazel and wash his face twice a day with it and he'll be good. if he is especially prone to acne tell him to get some acutane and it will be fine. now hairloss, which is wut i was concerned about tell him to do this stack, this stack is especially strong and works better than finestride.

azelaic acid and minoxidil both 5 percent twice a day starting 2 weeks prior to cycle end two weeks after cycle.
spiro cream twice a day starting 2 weeks prior to cycle and ending 2 weeks after cycle

I use this stack with great results, and my friend who has MPB uses this and he runs tren with test, and three yearls later his hairline is intact. now for roid rage on test, im proud of it, and actually like the fact I have roid rage....but thats me give me an excuse to be an asshole and i will ride the shit out of that sum bitch. On a final note, no way in hell is deca cheaper. Now if he still does not want to run test cycle. then deca wk 1-12 400-500 mg/wk and tell him to get some vitamin b6 and cabergoline. the caber should prevent deca dick, tell him to have cialis on hand.
Thats the obvious cycle, but for some reason I get the feeling this guy is weird. TELL HIM HE SHOULD RUN MORE TEST THAN DECA. Slap him around a little.
 

Bosnian_Brawler

Junior Member
jsupstarz said:
Thats the obvious cycle, but for some reason I get the feeling this guy is weird. TELL HIM HE SHOULD RUN MORE TEST THAN DECA. Slap him around a little.

I will just let him read everything you guys said....He knows some guy who did Deca only cycle and had nice gains "without any sides".....Well he prolly didn't tell him that he couldn't get it up for 4 months, but I guess for some guys that's not a side effect....
 

advanced-stealth

Junior Member
True about the deca being cheaper.


HDH said:
I'm actually surprised to hear that the Deca is cheaper than the Test. You really can't make him do anything that he doesn't want to do. All you can do is give him info and let him make his own decisions. He will make gains on the Deca only cycle but it just isn't the best choice. 500mg of Test just isn't the poison that he thinks it is.

HDH
 

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