Simo’s Log. Pharmastar GH and Pharmacom Gear review

Discussion in 'Steroid Forum' started by Simobbuilder, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    I am cruising on pharma Test E and Proviron until February, then i will start my next bulking cycle.

    Startropin GH from @pharmasource

    Injectables and Orals from @Pharmacom Labs ( Basic Stero Website )

    Igf Lr3 Peptide of Bio-peptides ( MuscleAnabolics website )

    The entire cycle costs me about 600$ with sales and promos.

    12 weeks cycle:

    Dbol 40 mg ED (kick)
    TRT Test E dosage
    Pharmanolt 300 mg EOD (Deca/Npp mix)

    Startropin GH 6 ui ED
    Novo Insulin 2 x 6 ui ED
    Lr3 50 mcg ED

    Bloodwork at week 4, to adjust the adex dosage and the lenght of the kick. The Dbol’s kick could be pushed to 8 weeks if the liver levels are okay.

    My modest actual shape:

     
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  2. Den84

    Den84 Member

    Why 900 mg week nandro mix and only trt dosage of test ? There is a little sense in this protocol
     
  3. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    Of course mate, having a trt dosage is enough to feel good, and maintain a good libido, qualiry muscle with less water, and also you get less side effects from 19-nor steroids.

    E2 and prolactin are connected, the more you increase your test, the more your e2 get high, and your prolactin too.

    The aromatisation of Test has a lot of long term consequences that we can avoid by using only trt dosages during our whole cycles, as other steroids don’t suppress the exogenous test, and we get the totality of gains from what we stack with test.

    Some of this long term problems are prostate enlargement, iron production in the liver, varicose veins etc..

    Starting with low test give you also a margin to unlock stagnation on long cycles, by increasing test slowly.

    My english sucks, i know sorry :)
     
  4. 17Alpha

    17Alpha Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Anabolic steroids induce cardiac renin-angiotensin system and impair the beneficial effects of aerobic training in rats. - PubMed - NCBI

    Supraphysiological doses of nandrolone exacerbated the cardiac hypertrophy in exercise-trained rats. Exercise training associated with nandrolone induces maladaptive remodeling and further deterioration in cardiac performance. Exercise training associated with nandrolone causes loss of the beneficial effects in left ventricular function induced by exercising. These results suggest that aerobic exercise plus nandrolone increases cardiac collagen content associated with activation of the local renin-angiotensin system.



    Chronic treatment with anabolic steroids induces ventricular repolarization disturbances: cellular, ionic and molecular mechanism. - PubMed - NCBI

    The illicit use of supraphysiological doses of nandrolone has been suggested as a cause of arrhythmia in athletes... Our results strongly suggest that supraphysiological doses of nandrolone induce morphological remodeling in both ventricles. However, the electrical remodeling was mainly observed in the left ventricle.



    Nephrotoxicity in rabbits after long-term nandrolone decanoate administration. - PubMed - NCBI

    Among the various side effects of supra-physiological dose of anabolic androgenic steroids that are described, renal toxicity remains the least evaluated. The present study provides evidence that long-term administration of nandrolone decanoate could lead to alterations of renal function and structure... In conclusion, nephrotoxicity of nandrolone decanoate remains a multi-factorial, partly irreversible effect that involves augmented tissue oxidative status.


    The risk of life-threatening ventricular arrhythmias in presence of high-intensity endurance exercise along with chronic administration of nandrolo... - PubMed - NCBI

    Nandrolone plus severe exercise increases the risk of VF that cannot be explained only by the changes in redox system. The intensification of cardiac hypertrophy and prolongation of JT interval may be a part of involved mechanisms.



    Cardiopulmonary reflex, cardiac cytokines, and nandrolone decanoate: response to resistance training in rats. - PubMed - NCBI

    The association of nandrolone with resistance training increased myocyte hypertrophy, deposition of matrix type I collagen, TNF-α and ACEA; decreased IL-10, and impairment in the BJR were observed in ND+EXERC compared with CONT and EXERC. Nandrolone is associated with alterations in cardiac structure and function as a result of the development of pathological cardiac hypertrophy (cardiac cytokine imbalance, elevation of ACEA) and cardiac injury, even when combined with resistance training.



    The impact of nandrolone decanoate on the central nervous system. - PubMed - NCBI

    According to Magnusson K. et al, nandrolone administered male rats displayed memory function impairment, possibly via dynorphinergic mechanisms in the hippocampus. The hippocampus is a brain region associated with cognitive function since the limbic brain is linked to several types of learning and memory functions. This region displays a relatively high density of androgen receptors in rats, which suggests a relationship between the androgen receptor and cognitive function.

    In animal models, nandrolone has been implicated in memory loss

    The effect of nandrolone on HPAA has been shown in some studies. Effects on the corticosterone, adrenocorticotropin hormone, proopiomelanocortin, corticotropin releasing factor (CRF) and CRF receptor1 (CRF R1) mRNA in the pituitary, hypothalamus and amygdala of rats have been noted. Moreover effects of nandrolone on adiponectin, insulin, ghrelin, leptin and corticosterone (CORT), and cortical serotoninergic system (CSS) have been observed.

    Nandrolone has been shown to not only inhibit the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal axis (HPGA) but also the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal axis (HPAA), resulting in the decrease of hormones such as aldosterone and cortisol.
     
  5. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    Thanks for your answer.

    I was comparing sides of 19-nor with high and low test actually.

    While talking about less sides, i mean what u can get from high test with 19-nor, not 19-nor by it own, as you mentoonned mate, cheers.
     
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  6. Den84

    Den84 Member

    @17Alpha I consider the nandrolone, the aas with the major side, among all the aas. on me, it's worse than tren (mg x mg) and I've noticed that if used without testosterone as a base, the sides are more pronounced. When I tried a cycle with 400 mg/week deca stand alone, after 3 week of use, I was a zombie without libido and without the desire to train, insomnia was terrible ... after only 3 weeks I was anxious and completely depressed. blood pressure was so high, during a heavy series of deadlift, I got out the blood from my nose, to the amazement of the people who were in the gym.

    Now I use it only as joint relief, 100 mg /week not more, and always with 400/500 mg week test.
     
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  7. taco33150

    taco33150 Member

    Not a big fan of mixed oils.. never know the exact amount.. if you doing low test high npp/deca you should try npp alone with low test .. adjust from there if you need higher test.. but just like everything else it’s gonna affect you differently than the next guy.. just have to see what works..
     
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  8. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    Using deca with npp is interesting because you have more stable levels with the decanoate ester, the pharmanolt is a nandrolone’s version of Sustanon.

    The price is also interesting as it costs about 20$ ( 39$ -50% ) and contains 300 mg.
    And the mix passed the tests of anabolic labs, 180 mg of decanoate and 120 mg of phenylpropionate.
     
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  9. 17Alpha

    17Alpha Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Similiar psychological experience for me, even with test. Nandrolon doesnt convert to DHT like test but to DHN, which is a very weak androgen. This might be the reason for some of it. But some swear by it, even though NPP seems to be more popular than Deca .

    The insulin seems a little bit overkill but maybe i am just a victim of the fearmongering surrounding it.

    Interested how it will turn out
     
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  10. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    No Gh without insulin and no Insulin without Gh.
    Using insulin is important to regulate blood sugar after Gh injections, and to get all the benefits from the growth after its conversion to igf-1, to get hyperplasia.

    I've used fast acting insulin before without Gh, 15 ui preworkout, and it's not that dangerous when you get enough carbs.

    6 ui that i will use this time is a very low dosage, even without taking carbs you won't get hypoglycemia.
     
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  11. Morefyah

    Morefyah Member

    Lol, 22 wtf? Please school us with all your knowledge. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    o_O
     
  13. BRo youre a fuckin hater go take your AI you little bitch
     
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  14. Morefyah

    Morefyah Member

    I’m just not afraid to speak my mind.
    It doesn’t look like anyone else gives two fucks about this dudes ignorant reckless ways. Why’s s that? Maybe because he’s 22 years old. Dumb ass mother fuckers like you are advocates for 22 year olds using steroids and insulin. You should be ashamed of yourself. Now why don’t you go a jerk off to that Boston Loyd Poster hanging above your bed. o_O
     
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  15. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    Go tell this speech to your mom, you little piece of shit, we are in a steroid forum you fucking ignorant, if something doesn’t look good in my ways then proove it instead of making bitchy comments
     
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  16. Morefyah

    Morefyah Member

    Hey there’s already a forum for kids like you, where you can talk about how much caber to take with tren and what dose of cialis works best for a 20 year old. Oh and the best way to dose your shwaggy startropin with your insulin. It’s called EROIDS and I bet your already a member there. You should hang there more. It’s where the cool GAY kids exchange ideas and other gayness.
     
  17. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    If you need caber and cialis to have a boner, it doesn’t mean that everyone need it like you, faggot.
    Ps: i am not a member in EROIDS
     
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  18. Simobbuilder

    Simobbuilder Member

    In one week, we start serious shit

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  19. penche

    penche Member

    Looking good but you could achieve that without slin. B safe.
     
  20. ironwill1951

    ironwill1951 Member

    slow down kid. your to young to be telling older members what to do.
    you need to pay your dues, quit being so arrogant or you not going to do very well here.


     
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