Test, EQ and DBol winter stack

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  1. MisterSuit

    MisterSuit Member

    Hi everyone, I made some more readings around and I think I found my final cycle layout for this bulking season, that would be my fourth cycle. I'm currently 79 Kg x 180 cm @ around 10% bf (sometimes scale shows 11% sometimes 9% quite randomly). I know that EQ isn't the strongest AAS around, but I'd like to get solid lean gains at the end of the cycle, plus I really like EQ for the endurance and strength it gives me, helping me pushing harder on cardio and keeping away the water from DBol. It's the first time I use DBol and I know 8 weeks may seem a big cycle but I'll take bloods and see if my liver reacts well or not, I already have a sh*t ton of glutathione on deck and I'll pin it ED.
    I have a great doubt: I'm quite afraid of gyno (I tend to have soft nips, that makes me even more paranoid), what if I take nolvadex 10mg ED during the first 8 wks as an "insurance"? Should I raise my aromasin dose? (I'll take the first on-cycle bloods at week 2/3, so I'll know the real answer with them, but until then I look for advices).
    hcg dose follows Dr. Swale protocol, I hope it will grant a faster recovery, that's why I have such short pct.
    Should I add anything to the cycle? My goal is to put at least 4 Kg (8-10 lbs) of keepable mass, trying to stay as lean as possible, diet will be perfectly on point as always and I plan to eat around 4500 kCals, 3g protein and mainly slow carbs, at least 6 lt water, training 2 times a day (early in the morning with sandbag and punching bag, afternoon at the gym) 5 days a week.

    Thank you for your time, any advice is really appreciated.
    If you have troubles with PDF I'll upload it as JPEG.
     

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  2. If you’re prone to gyno then definitely drop the dbol. Doesn’t really fit with your goals anyway. It aromatizes and you’ll bloat with water retention. EQ is a long cycle. Run it 16-20 weeks and it won’t kick in until week 10-11. You just need to be patient. Run it at least 600 mg/week. If you absolutely want to start with an oral go with something that won’t aromatize (like Tbol, Anavar, or winny, hell drol would be better). It’s a good cycle but it’s slow and steady which is why a lot of people say they get nothing from EQ.

    I’m almost done an EQ cycle and I gained at least 10 pounds of muscle (loss some body fat along the way)
     
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  3. Evom1

    Evom1 Member

    Never understood that bro science. Most competitors are only running it 8-10 weeks and most coaches program it that way
     
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  4. Evom1

    Evom1 Member

    I'd drop the dbol, dial back that aromasin since it's overkill for 400mg test
     
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  5. MisterSuit

    MisterSuit Member

    Hi and thank you for your feedback, woah, 16-20 weeks cycle seems a pretty too much imo, why would you go so long? I can consider a front load for the first week, but I’m not sure about the fact EQ won’t kick in before the tenth week, are you sure about that?
    Maybe I was a bit distracted when I wrote the thread, I wasn’t saying I’m prone to gyno, but I’m really scared by the possibility of getting that, the tendency to store a little amount of fat and water there is a “little joke of genetic and puberty” said a specialist, in fact when I train, touch them or take a shower they become hard as a wall, when I’m relaxed they have that soft look.

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    Hi and thank you for your time, why would you drop the DBol? Do you mean drop it at all or just reduce it?
    Edit: about the aromasin, do you think is it better to switch to adex 0.5mg EOD rather then splitting aromasin in four parts?
     
  6. EQ is Boldenone undecylenate and that Ester has a half-life of 12 days (double the half-life of the cypionate ester) so if test cyp starts to shine at 4-5 weeks, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that EQ would start to shine at twice that 8-10 weeks? I’m running it for 16 weeks myself.
     
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  7. MisterSuit

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    It is a reasonable argument but I think it strongly depends also on the molecule itself, not only the ester, e.g. test e and tren e, they both have the same ester attached but I think that you can feel the tren e kicking in from the second week, maybe third.
    EDIT: I didn’t notice at first glance but I don’t think that the half lives you listed are right mate, test cypionate has an ACTIVE half life of 4.5 days, and a total half life of about 12 days, undecylenate has an half life of around 14-16 days.
     
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  8. Evom1

    Evom1 Member

    I'd eliminate dbol because of gyno and I also hate orals

    I prefer aromasin, but I'd do it 12.5mg e3days to start
     
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  9. MisterSuit

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    Also if its half life is only of 24 hours?
     
  10. Evom1

    Evom1 Member

    Yes, I usually only need it e3d or eod
     
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  11. MisterSuit

    MisterSuit Member

    Thank you, I’ll dial back that aromasin so. With higher doses of test would you consider taking a small nolvadex dose ed? It’s not my case, but I’m curious about that because someone says it may help someone says it doesn’t.
     
  12. MisterSuit

    MisterSuit Member

    @mands Hi sir, sorry for mentioning you without notice, I know you’re very knowledgable about orals, what do you think about a cycle like that? I heard the orals-adverse advice by evom and I’m curious about the orals-friendly side. Thank you for your time.
     
  13. MisterSuit

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    Bump
     
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  14. BigNattyDaddy

    BigNattyDaddy Member

    @MisterSuit, you can always try dbol out and stop using it if your body doesn't respond well. I would recommend only going four weeks if this is your first time using it. Remember orals are toxic to the liver. I only used 20mg ED the first time I tried it, and had good results.
     
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  15. MisterSuit

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    Thank you very much, you found the thread by yourself, thank you!
     
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  16. MisterSuit

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    Actually I’m definitely gonna drop those numbers, the DBol I got is legit and well dosed, the source shared test with us, so that’s no reason why I should take such amount for my first run. I’ll just keep nolvadex on deck just in case, but the inhibition of igf1 doesn’t worth the risk.
     
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  17. MisterSuit

    MisterSuit Member

    @master.on I’d really appreciate your opinion, you have some serious knowledge.
     
  18. master.on

    master.on Member

    I'm glad to help but I didn't undrestood what your question is.

    You can't (shouldn't) use orals during the whole cycle because of liver damage.
    Limit use to 4-6 weeks.
    Use orals at the beginning or the end of the cycle as you wish.
    I prefer orals at the end, at they help break through plateau.
    For Dbol you really need tamoxifen, as is estrogenic derivative won't show in bloodwork.
    You can use Anadrol, which doesn't seem to need a SERM (you can use just 5 mg Nolvadex, just in case).


    Anyhow, you'll need an injectable, at a high enough dose, that keeps you gaining muscle throughout the whole cycle (or as long as possible)

    For most, that injectable will be testosterone (with an aromatase inhibitor)

    For me, it's high dose 2grams+ masteron E, EQ, Deca, no-Testosterone combo for a 70s-like cycle
    This way I don't need to worry about AI's or SERMs or estrogen, during the no-Testosterone injectable phase.
    I know this cycles are unusual and won't win you any Olympia, but they yield a more aesthetic physique IMO.


    I agree that EQ (or Mast E for me) magic begins to be felt at 2 grams per week
    Boldenone – Realizing its full potential | IronMag Bodybuilding Blog
    Of course 2g EQ or Mast won't be as anabolic as 2g Testosterone, but side effects are much easier to handle, no water retention, and and overall more attractive physique.
     
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  19. MisterSuit

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    Maybe the pdf attached to my thread doesn’t show correctly to you, I was going for a cycle like that: 400mg test and 600/750 EQ for 14 wks kickstarting it with 8 weeks DBol and, as you suggested, I wanted to add some tamoxifen just to make sure I keep the estrogen sides away while also using some aromasin or anastrozole. Just a small dose, 10mg everyday. What do you think about? Thanks for help!
     
  20. master.on

    master.on Member

    I suggested using Dbol at the end, not a kickstart.
     
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