MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[ve79]

This was a fantastic read. Can't believe it took me until now to take the time to check it out. I have always found it frustrating that we do not have more clinical data to go on regarding Trenbolone. By this I mean Parabolan (Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate) was an approved medication with active prescriptions in France for 17 years, from 1980-1997.

Unless the French were just uniquely loose with their standards for medications in those days, this would suggest that human clinical trials and associated data exists for Trenbolone. So where is this data today? Being able to review this information would be supremely insightful.

Yes very good read. I wish it wasn't so hard on the body. It's a powerful non aroma agent but man it's wicked stuff

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

“Trenbolone potently increases the proliferative responsiveness of skeletal muscle satellite cells to IGF-I. [9].”

So I know that tren reduces endogenous Hgh secretion and therefore will lower serum igf1 output.

If taken exogenously would the combination of Hgh and tren be synergistic in increasing muscle growth through satellite cells because it’s increasing there responsiveness to igf1?

**EDIT I SCROLLED BACK THROUGH THIS THREAD TO SEE SOMEONE HAD ALREADY ASKED THIS QUESTION AND IT WAS ANSWERED ***

 

[BuildABro]

There’s no English-language human data. There might be French, you’d have to probably touch down in France and trace it down physically. Clinical Trials are a modern process of drug testing followed by countries that include France today, but that doesn’t imply they’ve always done this; or for every medication in their history.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a French reader was able to find something.

I had been meaning to post an update here for you in my detective work but it slipped my mind a bit. I have finally managed to find an online pathway to the French medical archive which contains journal articles and data all the way back to the middle part of the 19th century to present.

There are numerous references to Trenbolone during it's run as a pharmaceutical medication (see below). While the web pages themselves I can use in browser translation, with the article PDF entries this is not possible. So a native French speaker would be ideal.

 

[Type-IIx]

I had been meaning to post an update here for you in my detective work but it slipped my mind a bit. I have finally managed to find an online pathway to the French medical archive which contains journal articles and data all the way back to the middle part of the 19th century to present.

There are numerous references to Trenbolone during it's run as a pharmaceutical medication (see below). While the web pages themselves I can use in browser translation, with the article PDF entries this is not possible. So a native French speaker would be ideal.


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Outstanding bro! Can you download them all, zip em, and send em to me?

 

[BuildABro]

Outstanding bro! Can you download them all, zip em, and send em to me?

Of course, i'd be happy to. Not all of them allow for download, but more than enough to sink your teeth into if you can find someone who speaks French.

 

[BuildABro]

Outstanding bro! Can you download them all, zip em, and send em to me?

Here is some to get you started. The system temporarily paused my ability to download as it says I was downloading too much too quickly, so I will try again a bit later to get more.

 

[BuildABro]

Interesting to think about but the French took Tren-Hex just as a mono-therapy, which is obviously worlds apart from its use among us gym rats.

I am really curious to learn about clinical outcomes of patients treated with the drug in this way.

 

[Intrepid]

Probably going against popular opinion here, but I think tren has a place in bulk cycles as well. Great for reducing fat gain in a surplus, strong recomp effects, as well as for adding quality tissue. I'm not saying tren should be the primary growth driver of the cycle, and would rely more on test and EQ for this aspect, but I find a dosage of 400mg tren enanthate/week to be highly effective with somewhat minimal sides

 

[BuildABro]

Probably going against popular opinion here, but I think tren has a place in bulk cycles as well. Great for reducing fat gain in a surplus, strong recomp effects, as well as for adding quality tissue. I'm not saying tren should be the primary growth driver of the cycle, and would rely more on test and EQ for this aspect, but I find a dosage of 400mg tren enanthate/week to be highly effective with somewhat minimal sides

I agree, especially since I happen to be bulking on Tren as we speak. And yes, I realize fully I am bucking the trend of popular opinion.

The way I look at it the calculus is pretty simple. I have never messed with anything that has given me the strength gains of Test + Tren. All of my best numbers have been on it. Hand me a compound that can match this and I'll take it for a bulk. Until then, it's gonna be Tren.

 

[Intrepid]

I agree, especially since I happen to be bulking on Tren as we speak. And yes, I realize fully I am bucking the trend of popular opinion.

The way I look at it the calculus is pretty simple. I have never messed with anything that has given me the strength gains of Test + Tren. All of my best numbers have been on it. Hand me a compound that can match this and I'll take it for a bulk. Until then, it's gonna be Tren.

If you can tolerate EQ as well, its a fantastic compound for bulking. Some people just get bad sides with EQ

 

[ve79]

Probably going against popular opinion here, but I think tren has a place in bulk cycles as well. Great for reducing fat gain in a surplus, strong recomp effects, as well as for adding quality tissue. I'm not saying tren should be the primary growth driver of the cycle, and would rely more on test and EQ for this aspect, but I find a dosage of 400mg tren enanthate/week to be highly effective with somewhat minimal sides

TREN is a incredible anabolic. I have not used it in years because of the side effects are too much for me even at 200 mg a week . I got great results but side effects were just too much

 

[BuildABro]

TREN is a incredible anabolic. I have not used it in years because of the side effects are too much for me even at 200 mg a week . I got great results but side effects were just too much

I have found that the longer I have ran Tren the less side effects play a role. Not sure if my bod has just grown accustomed to it or what. That first cycle was a wild fucking ride. But now? Cool as a cucumber.

The only persistent issue I have had with it is sleep, and I now have several different drugs from our friends in India to tackle that side of the equation. I pretty much have it under control. Way better than I was before anyway, sitting up awake each night staring at the ceiling. I have on hand Trazodone, Melotinin and Lemborexant. I also have some Restoril in reserve as a nuclear option, but I hope that proves unnecessary as I would rather not use a Benzo if I can avoid it.

 

[ve79]

I have found that the longer I have ran Tren the less side effects play a role. Not sure if my bod has just grown accustomed to it or what. That first cycle was a wild fucking ride. But now? Cool as a cucumber.

The only persistent issue I have had with it is sleep, and I now have several different drugs from our friends in India to tackle that side of the equation. I pretty much have it under control. Way better than I was before anyway, sitting up awake each night staring at the ceiling. I have on hand Trazodone, Melotinin and Lemborexant. I also have some Restoril in reserve as a nuclear option, but I hope that proves unnecessary as I would rather not use a Benzo if I can avoid it.

Yeah just be careful with it that's all. I have bad sleep and I'm already on Xanax for sleep so no TREN for me. I do want to experiment with dhb

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Can anyone comment on the negative fertility impact of tren IF taking HCG + HMG? Already on test, mast and EQ. Need to get wife pregnant again in 1.5 years. Would like to avoid coming off this time…it was hell.

I am considering 10mg tren a per day.

 

[Rush]

I would guess it depends on a lot of other factors as well, but if it helps, I got my wife pregnant two times, both were while I was on a tren cycle. First time without anything, second with hcg

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I would guess it depends on a lot of other factors as well, but if it helps, I got my wife pregnant two times, both were while I was on a tren cycle. First time without anything, second with hcg

How long were you on gear consecutively / how long was your breaks not taking anything?

I was on 10 yrs straight of test + other stuff. Tried megadoses of HMG + HCG for 7 months but didn’t move the needle on sperm count.

Got off everything, 0 to 62million per ml in 6 months.

 

[Rush]

How long were you on gear consecutively / how long was your breaks not taking anything?

I was on 10 yrs straight of test + other stuff. Tried megadoses of HMG + HCG for 7 months but didn’t move the needle on sperm count.

Got off everything, 0 to 62million per ml in 6 months.

6 years straight. Like you, test and other stuff, including tren and ment.
Haven't used anything the first time, just having a very good time with my wife. 2 years later we were trying for another one. Did little bit of hcg with the cycle I was on at the moment, didn't even finished the vial when the test came back positive.
What I can share, hopefully it helps, is that it takes both of you to be fertile. My wife had serious trouble with thyroid hormones, the doc straightforward told her she won't become pregnant if she didn't take her meds and once this normalized...boom. Just something to think about.
I wish you two the best of luck, kids are beautiful and make life so much better.

And now back to trenbolone

 

[Excel.exe]

How long were you on gear consecutively / how long was your breaks not taking anything?

I was on 10 yrs straight of test + other stuff. Tried megadoses of HMG + HCG for 7 months but didn’t move the needle on sperm count.

Got off everything, 0 to 62million per ml in 6 months.

If that HCG and/or HMG are from India, look from a Chinese source instead.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

6 years straight. Like you, test and other stuff, including tren and ment.
Haven't used anything the first time, just having a very good time with my wife. 2 years later we were trying for another one. Did little bit of hcg with the cycle I was on at the moment, didn't even finished the vial when the test came back positive.
What I can share, hopefully it helps, is that it takes both of you to be fertile. My wife had serious trouble with thyroid hormones, the doc straightforward told her she won't become pregnant if she didn't take her meds and once this normalized...boom. Just something to think about.
I wish you two the best of luck, kids are beautiful and make life so much better.

And now back to trenbolone

Appreciate the feedback! My wife fertility no issue; it was all me lol. Got her knocked up basically first or second attempt once I had sperm.

One on the way for me, just want to cheat on my wife with my bae, Trenbolone. But worried about knocking her up again in 1.5 years… I’ll just have to figure out if it’s a risk worth taking for me.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

If that HCG and/or HMG are from India, look from a Chinese source instead.

Yeah I trashed the Indian stuff, lol. Now it’s all QSC Janoshik tested stuff.