Vitex, Prolactin & Premature Ejac

[Iggy_347]

Hey Guys.....
I always suffered from premature ejaculation over the years........months ago I began taking 2 400Mg Vitex each day to lower my prolactin and hopefully lessen my refractory period so that I could get back at it if i finished to quick.........what I found was 2 things....
1 my prolactin level went from 7.5 pg/ml (2-18) down to .5 (Quest Labs) after 2 months.
and my premature ejac totally disappeared......to the point now where I can go forever....sometimes too long.

Has anyone else found that by lowering prolactin their ejac times have increased?

 

[JustOne]

Check your E2, might be too high, I have heard of guys being multiple-orgasmic on dostinex.

 

[Iggy_347]

Thanks for the reply JusOne....
Funny thing is that I have had this effect when My E2 was super low 8, in the zone which for me is 25-35 and when I was too high @70 all confirmed by Quest Lab tests (i have been struggling to get my DIM dosage straight)........so far this effect appears to be the same regardless of what level my E2 is.......at first I thought the same....my E2 must be high.

Prior to trying Vitex when my E2 was high I would struggle to get good wood...then as soon as it was "full" ...bam.....premature

Using the vitex when my E2 was high i would still struggle to get good wood....but then I could not keep it up long enough to finish.

When I am in the zone.......man its great......I can keep it up and last forever.........every girl has been 3 and sometimes 4 orgasms.......I can finish but it takes a good long time which i dont mind......years of premature ejac took a toal on my self esteem so now I am in the rebuilding phase.

Im pretty happy about the "porn star" effect that this has.........but I thought it was strange.... I wanted to post the info just incase any other former "2 pump chumps" like myself have had similar success with Vitex or if anyone else who had trouble in that department wanted to give it a go.

 

[wildfox]

Thanks for the reply JusOne....
Funny thing is that I have had this effect when My E2 was super low 8, in the zone which for me is 25-35 and when I was too high @70 all confirmed by Quest Lab tests (i have been struggling to get my DIM dosage straight)........so far this effect appears to be the same regardless of what level my E2 is.......at first I thought the same....my E2 must be high.

Prior to trying Vitex when my E2 was high I would struggle to get good wood...then as soon as it was "full" ...bam.....premature

Using the vitex when my E2 was high i would still struggle to get good wood....but then I could not keep it up long enough to finish.

When I am in the zone.......man its great......I can keep it up and last forever.........every girl has been 3 and sometimes 4 orgasms.......I can finish but it takes a good long time which i dont mind......years of premature ejac took a toal on my self esteem so now I am in the rebuilding phase.

Im pretty happy about the "porn star" effect that this has.........but I thought it was strange.... I wanted to post the info just incase any other former "2 pump chumps" like myself have had similar success with Vitex or if anyone else who had trouble in that department wanted to give it a go.

Ok, so you are using Vitex (which I've read can raise LH), so what are you using along with it to control E2? DIM? What are you taking to keep yourself "in the zone"?

 

[Iggy_347]

To control E2 I am using DIM and also TMG to assist the liver........thinking about getting a script for Arimidex, but working with DIM now with fairly good sucess

 

[JanSz]

To control E2 I am using DIM and also TMG to assist the liver........thinking about getting a script for Arimidex, but working with DIM now with fairly good sucess

How many pills of DIM, what kind DIM, post a link to it.

 

[cwoody123]

Well i have a Prolactin secreting tumour. My levels initaly came back at 33,000 mul (3,300) i have always been the opposite end of the spectrum, it takes me ages to come. My levels are 198 mul now and i still have the same problem., i don't know if that is related to my low testosterone levels, time will tell!

 

[Iggy_347]

This is the brand of DIM I use....
http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-EstroBalance-formerly-Indolplex

Right now I am fine tuning my doses based on ..........morning wood and sweatiness which are my first 2 signs of my E2 being high. Also blood tests of course.....

Right now 1/4 pill at 8:00 A.M and another 1/4 pill around 6 hours later works best for me........if I go a little longer it seems that I get a little sweaty in the afternoon around 4:00 ........right now I am holding steady at about 35-40 pg/ml which seems to be a good zone for me.......maybe a tad high.

My body makes a LOT of dhea 875 pg/ml ( so when the DIM wears off my E2 rises pretty rapidly........based on some tests I did earlier in the month it seems like when left untreated my E2 goes up around 7-8 pg/ml per day. I found this out by taking way too much DIM (2 per day for a month) going way too low Quest Lab showd my E2 to be 3 pg/ml (10-50 i believe was the range)
I took no DIM for 8 days, after the 8th day I tested again (in this time I charted how I felt each day....morning wood, erection quality, sweatyness) and tested at 70 pg/ml after 8 days. I began taking dim 1 per day until I started to feel good again......then cut the dose in half per Phil's instructions.......I felt a little low.....waited a day until wood came back then took 1/4........felt good the first day but then noticed that I would get sweaty in the afternoon on 1/4 per day.........started taking 1/4 A.M and 1/4 P.M. and have held steady for a few days now......I am going to do this for a few weeks or more then get retested.

 

[JanSz]

This is the brand of DIM I use....
http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-EstroBalance-formerly-Indolplex

Right now I am fine tuning my doses based on ..........morning wood and sweatiness which are my first 2 signs of my E2 being high. Also blood tests of course.....

Right now 1/4 pill at 8:00 A.M and another 1/4 pill around 6 hours later works best for me........if I go a little longer it seems that I get a little sweaty in the afternoon around 4:00 ........right now I am holding steady at about 35-40 pg/ml which seems to be a good zone for me.......maybe a tad high.

My body makes a LOT of dhea 875 pg/ml ( so when the DIM wears off my E2 rises pretty rapidly........based on some tests I did earlier in the month it seems like when left untreated my E2 goes up around 7-8 pg/ml per day. I found this out by taking way too much DIM (2 per day for a month) going way too low Quest Lab showd my E2 to be 3 pg/ml (10-50 i believe was the range)
I took no DIM for 8 days, after the 8th day I tested again (in this time I charted how I felt each day....morning wood, erection quality, sweatyness) and tested at 70 pg/ml after 8 days. I began taking dim 1 per day until I started to feel good again......then cut the dose in half per Phil's instructions.......I felt a little low.....waited a day until wood came back then took 1/4........felt good the first day but then noticed that I would get sweaty in the afternoon on 1/4 per day.........started taking 1/4 A.M and 1/4 P.M. and have held steady for a few days now......I am going to do this for a few weeks or more then get retested.

Interesting,
Dr John recomends 300mg DIM (taken with 1000mg TMG), that would be 2.5 pills daily, of the DIM that you are taking.
And I have not seen him claim that DIM affects E2. Hovewer he claims that it affects good/bad estrogen ratio for the better. Specifically that is about Estrone E1, and ratio of (2-Hydroxyestrone) to (16a-Hydroxyestrone)
They can be measured via urine test at
http://www.rheinlabs.com/Pages/CompProfile.html
If you have any links to important posts or studies on DIM please post it.
So far DIM is a mystery to me.
I am taking 5 pills of Dual-action from LEF, that would be 280mg DIM of the pills you are taking.

Indolplex Complex -- modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM), 120.00 mg =30mgDIM (one pill)
LEF Dual-Action =14mg DIM (one pill)

 

[jmills]

I don't know if this is helpful here, but I discovered completely by accident that Zoloft makes me a MACHINE! My doc gave me some for low back pain....I told him he was crazy, but took em anyway....seems like they slightly numb more than just my low back, I swear I can go for hours, and while I get good sensation i have to really work at it to have an orgasm....any body else have this experience?

 

[Naturdoc]

This is the brand of DIM I use....
http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-EstroBalance-formerly-Indolplex

Right now I am fine tuning my doses based on ..........morning wood and sweatiness which are my first 2 signs of my E2 being high. Also blood tests of course.....

Right now 1/4 pill at 8:00 A.M and another 1/4 pill around 6 hours later works best for me........if I go a little longer it seems that I get a little sweaty in the afternoon around 4:00 ........right now I am holding steady at about 35-40 pg/ml which seems to be a good zone for me.......maybe a tad high.

My body makes a LOT of dhea 875 pg/ml ( so when the DIM wears off my E2 rises pretty rapidly........based on some tests I did earlier in the month it seems like when left untreated my E2 goes up around 7-8 pg/ml per day. I found this out by taking way too much DIM (2 per day for a month) going way too low Quest Lab showd my E2 to be 3 pg/ml (10-50 i believe was the range)
I took no DIM for 8 days, after the 8th day I tested again (in this time I charted how I felt each day....morning wood, erection quality, sweatyness) and tested at 70 pg/ml after 8 days. I began taking dim 1 per day until I started to feel good again......then cut the dose in half per Phil's instructions.......I felt a little low.....waited a day until wood came back then took 1/4........felt good the first day but then noticed that I would get sweaty in the afternoon on 1/4 per day.........started taking 1/4 A.M and 1/4 P.M. and have held steady for a few days now......I am going to do this for a few weeks or more then get retested.

Iggy
The response to Vitex would be expected in lowering prolactin. Do I understand you to say it had no effect on estrogen E2 levels but that DIM did lower E2?

 

[Iggy_347]

Iggy
The response to Vitex would be expected in lowering prolactin. Do I understand you to say it had no effect on estrogen E2 levels but that DIM did lower E2?

For me the Vitex did not appear to effect E2 in any way. DIM however, clearly has lowered my E2 levels and I have a number of Quest Lab tests that have shown this to be true.

 

[Iggy_347]

Interesting,
Dr John recomends 300mg DIM (taken with 1000mg TMG), that would be 2.5 pills daily, of the DIM that you are taking.
And I have not seen him claim that DIM affects E2. Hovewer he claims that it affects good/bad estrogen ratio for the better. Specifically that is about Estrone E1, and ratio of (2-Hydroxyestrone) to (16a-Hydroxyestrone)
They can be measured via urine test at
http://www.rheinlabs.com/Pages/CompProfile.html
If you have any links to important posts or studies on DIM please post it.
So far DIM is a mystery to me.
I am taking 5 pills of Dual-action from LEF, that would be 280mg DIM of the pills you are taking.

Indolplex Complex -- modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM), 120.00 mg =30mgDIM (one pill)
LEF Dual-Action =14mg DIM (one pill)

This link is a good read on DIM......also any posts on the subject by pmgammer18 are good reads.
http://www.estrogen-balance.com/

 

[Iggy_347]

Interesting,
Dr John recomends 300mg DIM (taken with 1000mg TMG), that would be 2.5 pills daily, of the DIM that you are taking.
And I have not seen him claim that DIM affects E2. Hovewer he claims that it affects good/bad estrogen ratio for the better. Specifically that is about Estrone E1, and ratio of (2-Hydroxyestrone) to (16a-Hydroxyestrone)
They can be measured via urine test at
http://www.rheinlabs.com/Pages/CompProfile.html
If you have any links to important posts or studies on DIM please post it.
So far DIM is a mystery to me.
I am taking 5 pills of Dual-action from LEF, that would be 280mg DIM of the pills you are taking.

Indolplex Complex -- modified food starch, 25% diindolylmethane (DIM), 120.00 mg =30mgDIM (one pill)
LEF Dual-Action =14mg DIM (one pill)

I have a feeling that the dose Dr John recomends is for men on TRT. For me, those doses drive my E2 too low very fast. In my case my adrenals make way too much DHEA which in turn ends up raising my E2......but not nearly as quickly as T injections would. I believe that this is why the doses that work for me are so much less.

 

[novicebb]

To control E2 I am using DIM and also TMG to assist the liver........thinking about getting a script for Arimidex, but working with DIM now with fairly good sucess

What is DIM and TMG?

 

[Iggy_347]

What is DIM and TMG?

This link is a good read on DIM......also any posts on the subject by pmgammer18 are good reads.
http://www.estrogen-balance.com/

 

[JanSz]

This link is a good read on DIM......also any posts on the subject by pmgammer18 are good reads.
http://www.estrogen-balance.com/

Nice study, thank you, I will have to start reading it.

I have a feeling that the dose Dr John recomends is for men on TRT. For me, those doses drive my E2 too low very fast. In my case my adrenals make way too much DHEA which in turn ends up raising my E2......but not nearly as quickly as T injections would. I believe that this is why the doses that work for me are so much less.

I am on my 5 pills of LEF Dual-Action for over a week already. It is a dose close to what Dr John supports. I also use 350 mg DHEA and 0.5gram Tcream 100mg/1gram, HCG, plus many other supplements. I do not see much change on increase of DIM. Before that I used 2 pills of my DIM on advice from LEF doctor.

I have to note that Indolplex is the only DIM product that do not have anything else in it but DIM. Other products have additionally I3C and other ingredients included.

 

[pmgamer18]

I have a feeling that the dose Dr John recomends is for men on TRT. For me, those doses drive my E2 too low very fast. In my case my adrenals make way too much DHEA which in turn ends up raising my E2......but not nearly as quickly as T injections would. I believe that this is why the doses that work for me are so much less.

The DIM Dr. John uses is not the same as Indolpex/DIM and most of it gets kill in the stomach this is why I use Indolplex/DIM. Yet I have heard guys had good luck with the DIM like Dr. John uses if they take it with some oil.

 

[JanSz]

The DIM Dr. John uses is not the same as Indolpex/DIM and most of it gets kill in the stomach this is why I use Indolplex/DIM. Yet I have heard guys had good luck with the DIM like Dr. John uses if they take it with some oil.

Oil. How much, what kind, how taken? Any study explaining why it helps.
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I think there is a difference between Indolplex and any other product on the market containing DIM.
Wonder if that is for good or bad.

How did you came about on finding it, who recomended it to you and why?

 

[PrematureEjaculationBlows]

Hey Guys.....
I always suffered from premature ejaculation over the years........months ago I began taking 2 400Mg Vitex each day to lower my prolactin and hopefully lessen my refractory period so that I could get back at it if i finished to quick.........what I found was 2 things....
1 my prolactin level went from 7.5 pg/ml (2-18) down to .5 (Quest Labs) after 2 months.
and my premature ejac totally disappeared......to the point now where I can go forever....sometimes too long.

Has anyone else found that by lowering prolactin their ejac times have increased?

Hi Guys! I have a few questions for Iggy and the rest of you. I really Appreciate all your helpful discussions and any feedback you can provide.

I have never done steroids, but I work out and take protein and weight gainers.
I am 25 and have had premature ejaculation for several years now. My gut tells me that the cause of this is most likely Mental, for example Anxiety, Stress, excitement, and guilt from my religious background etc...

I have not done any lab testing of my hormones and testosterone levels yet, But Assuming they are rather normal, What type of effect do you think VITEX would have on My Premature Ejaculation?

If my levels are in normal range, Would this Screw me up?
Do you think it could be taken on an as needed basis to control ejaculation?
IGGY, Did the Vitex lower your desire for Sex?
I've read that vitex lowers libido, THis wouldn't be good, but if it did, could I counteract it with some pro testosterone herbs or something?

What do you Guys Think About my situation? and Vitex?

any other suggestions? Thanks a Million Guys!

-PE Blows!