I am a noob. 33 years, 5'6, 230 LBS. Clearly my goal is weight loss but at same time looking to gain some lean muscle. After some research I have decided on these supplements/helpers: clenbuterol Taurine Protein Shakes Creatine I am pretty set on taking the clen for a while and the taurine as it seems to be a must when taking clen. I am open to dropping the creatine as online seems to have as much negative as positive. My question for the folks here is on time of day to take these things and whether I should keep the creatine. Based on research online I've come up with this rough plan. Note that I plan on doing the incremental cycle for clen as opposed to 2 weeks on/off and due to work my usual workout time is in the evening, weekends are mornings: -Take 40MCG clen when waking up (2 weeks of 40MCG/day, day 14-28 80MCG/day then peak at 120MCG/day) -Protein shake when I get to work in morning -Taurine before/during the workout -Taurine after workout -Protein shake after workout -creatine within 30 minutes after workout Any tips on rearranging this would be much appreciated and whether to keep the creatine. I'm sure some people have tips on the clen cycle as well but I will post a separate thread in the proper section for my questions on that.