Whey protein or creatine?

Discussion in 'Nutrition / Supplements Forum' started by Preacher, Feb 17, 2007.

  1. Preacher

    Preacher Junior Member

    what do you guys suggest is better for ya? A whey isolate or creatine? or both or neither?
     
  2. Grizzly

    Grizzly Member

    That's like asking which is better, oranges or pasta? They're not the same type of supplement.
     
  3. smaretick

    smaretick Junior Member

    Try XYIENCE X-M2...it's got glutamine, creatine, BCAAs, & 32g of protein per serving.
     
  4. HARDNOX

    HARDNOX Junior Member

    Sounds like some good stuff.How long have you been using it?
     
  5. role model

    role model Junior Member

    LMFAO

    but hes right, steak or Clearasil? whats better?
     
  6. Preacher

    Preacher Junior Member

    ok basically what I was saying is it necessary to have both? I have read lots about creatine being just Basically water bloat muscle. I have always taking NX protien 45g, pro, 1g carb. But am skeptical about creatine...
     
  7. smaretick

    smaretick Junior Member

    I've only been using it for a couple days so too early to tell...but I like the fact that it's got glutamine & creatine in it...my motto is k.i.s.s. :)
     
  8. smaretick

    smaretick Junior Member

    IMHO the only things that you absolutely need to supplement with are a multi vitamin & protein...the rest is just extra if you can afford it.

    However, Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass, muscle strength, and athletic performance. Creatine Ethyl Ester can benefit persons of all ages, as it displays the same benefits as regular creatine monohydrate however dosage requirements are lower and the absorption of esterified creatine is increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" is eliminated!
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2007
  9. role model

    role model Junior Member

    Creatine works, theres no arguing that, smaretick is right on target with his post except from my personal experience CEE didnt do as well as my micronized creatine did that I swear by. When I tripled up on CEE I got results but nothing at the recommended dosage.
     
  10. MaxRep

    MaxRep Member

    Hey my friend,
    I hate to say it but you hold a lot of opinions that are based on listening to the wrong people.

    You're skeptical about creatine and think it's just water bloat...? There's a lot of science and published scientific studies on the benefits of creatine. In today's world, anyone who doesn't know the various benefits and still espouses the old... "it's just water retention" nonsense, isn't very well educated in the bodybuilding or strength training world.

    Here's just one of numerous studies on the subject:
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    1: Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2001 Sep;11(3):349-64.
    The effect of whey protein supplementation with and without creatine monohydrate combined with resistance training on lean tissue mass and muscle strength.
    * Burke DG,
    * Chilibeck PD,
    * Davidson KS,
    * Candow DG,
    * Farthing J,
    * Smith-Palmer T.

    Department of Human Kinetics, St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, B2G 2W5, Canada

    Our purpose was to assess muscular adaptations during 6 weeks of resistance training in 36 males randomly assigned to supplementation with whey protein (W; 1.2 g/kg/day), whey protein and creatine monohydrate (WC; 0.1 g/kg/day), or placebo (P; 1.2 g/kg/day maltodextrin). Measures included lean tissue mass by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry, bench press and squat strength (1-repetition maximum), and knee extension/flexion peak torque. Lean tissue mass increased to a greater extent with training in WC compared to the other groups, and in the W compared to the P group (p < .05). Bench press strength increased to a greater extent for WC compared to W and P (p < .05). Knee extension peak torque increased with training for WC and W (p < .05), but not for P. All other measures increased to a similar extent across groups. Continued training without supplementation for an additional 6 weeks resulted in maintenance of strength and lean tissue mass in all groups. Males that supplemented with whey protein while resistance training demonstrated greater improvement in knee extension peak torque and lean tissue mass than males engaged in training alone. Males that supplemented with a combination of whey protein and creatine had greater increases in lean tissue mass and bench press than those who supplemented with only whey protein or placebo. However, not all strength measures were improved with supplementation, since subjects who supplemented with creatine and/or whey protein had similar increases in squat strength and knee flexion peak torque compared to subjects who received placebo.
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    As you can see, lean muscle mass and strength increased best when training with a combination of protein and creatine, beyond the increases seen with just supplemental protein.

    As Grizz says, you can't say which is better. They different but both essential to the serious weight trainer.

    Best regards,
    MaxRep
     
  11. Preacher

    Preacher Junior Member

    Hey this poor little head is FULL of screw up facts, and misbelieves. Its how i get through life. Thats why I ask questions. The bad habbits are the hardest to change.

    Plus MaxRep what else could you possibly be doing then answering all these questions
     
  12. Preacher

    Preacher Junior Member

    OK I got some BioX extreme Rush creatine 100% creatine. I'll see what happends....
     
  13. MaxRep

    MaxRep Member

    Indeed... :rolleyes:

    Keep an accurate journal with stats, OTC supplements, anabolics, etc., you may be pleasantly surprised at how over time, you improve in size and strength and can go back and pin-point certain additions as being most advantageous.

    Best regards,
    MaxRep
     
  14. jasthace

    jasthace Member

    I remember doing a coarse of Creatine,tribelus and protein powder and people at work thought I was back on the juice!
    It worked well with a good diet and training regrimme.
    But its just like juice, when you stop taking it, you just go back to you natural genetic state[:eek:)] .
     
  15. Preacher

    Preacher Junior Member

    Its funny how the wife bitches and wines about spending money on this stuff but incourages me to drop $$$ on roids.
     
  16. jasthace

    jasthace Member

    Now why could that be?
    Sounds a bit below the belt;)
     
  17. Grizzly

    Grizzly Member

    It's the only way she can be satisfied. Since he has a tiny pecker, it takes 5 times a day for her to really get any satisfaction out of the deal. When I have a girlfriend, on the other hand, I only have sex once a week because it takes her the other 6 days to recover from being impaled on my massive Grizzcock. :p
     
  18. Preacher

    Preacher Junior Member


    Grizz its not that there recovering for 6 days, its that there still picking the chest hair out of there teeth [:eek:)]

    Wife always tells me its not the size that matters. I sure was confused when she got that 10" dildo though
     
  19. Reinheart

    Reinheart Member

    Whey protein is a standard for me. I cycle creatine a few times through the year of course. I went up almost 10 lbs in my latest creatine cycle in 3 weeks but i lost at least 4 pounds during the off-season. Strength gains remained stable though.
     
  20. Preacher

    Preacher Junior Member

    how does one cycle creatine? You on 20mg/ed for 4 weeks then off for how long?