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You are here: Home / Steroid Articles / Safety and Effectiveness of Testosterone at 1000 Milligrams per Week

Safety and Effectiveness of Testosterone at 1000 Milligrams per Week

November 5, 2019 by Bill Roberts

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Q: You talked about a gram per week of testosterone. Isn’t that ridiculous? What about say 200 mg?

A: It is my view that the farther one is from one’s natural, untrained state, the harder it is to gain more muscle. There comes a point where the body essentially finds a new balance and may remain at the same muscular weight (give or take a pound or two) for a year or more, even with excellent training, if hormonal conditions remain the same.

Under different hormonal conditions – for example, more testosterone – growth can resume and a new balance point, if reached, will be at a considerably higher muscular weight. At that point, even if one were to stay on that dose of drug continually, little gains would be seen. But with higher yet levels of testosterone, rapid growth could again resume.

So a person who has already made a lot of gains is probably not going to see much, if anything, from 200 mg/week testosterone. And if he used steroids to get there, and is already more muscular than he’d be as a natural trainer, he may see nothing at all, just maintenance.

A true beginner, on the other hand, can make plenty of gains with natural levels of testosterone.

From the medical standpoint, 600 mg/week has been shown to be quite safe. Furthermore, in double blind studies and so forth, doses of less than 300 mg/week generally have resulted in nothing. These studies have usually been with athletes training the same during the cycle as they were beforehand. They’re generally useless for our purposes but they do make a point here. If the dose is 300 mg/week and an athlete trains and eats the same as before, no miracle results.

Yes, I know I’ll come under criticism: you or your buddy did great on 250 mg/week. But in every case I have ever seen, such trainers were guys who were not that dedicated to lifting until they went on their cycle. They weren’t in their peak condition at the start of the cycle, and so they had some muscle memory to help them. Or they were fairly novice lifters. They trained and ate better than they ever did before. They probably would have regained 10 lb. of muscle and gained a new 10 lb. just on Placebobolan, thanks to the training, nutrition, intensity, and muscle memory. Those who ate enough to get fat will also attribute some of the fat weight as being muscle weight.

Now there is one regard where a low dose can be quite effective. This is in fat loss. Many people, especially natural endomorphs, can enjoy easy fat loss for the first time in their lives on quite moderate doses such as 250 mg/week.

I would say that 500 mg/week is a reasonable minimum for muscle gains, except for an advanced trainer, who may need a gram a week to make much further gains. To advance to today’s pro bodybuilder status, even if one has the genetics, requires more yet, not just in quantity but in supplementary drugs such as growth hormone (GH) and insulin, which I will not be discussing.

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About the author

Bill Roberts
Medicinal chemist

Bill Roberts is an internationally-recognized expert on anabolic steroids and performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs). He received a bachelor degree in Microbiology and Cell Science and completed the educational and research requirements for a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry at a major American university.

Bill entered the nutritional supplement industry prior to completing his doctoral thesis but his education was invaluable so far as being able to design/improve nutritional supplement compounds, since it was in the field of designing drug molecules and secondarily some work in transdermal delivery.

His education was not specifically "geared" toward anabolic steroids other than expertise with pharmacological principles having broad applications. This has allowed Bill to provide unique insight into the field of anabolic pharmacology with knowledge of points which he would not have known otherwise.

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Avatar of Mac11wildcat Mac11wildcat Jan 08, 2023 #1

1 gram of just test or as a base to a normal combination of one or more anabolics (not including gH and slin)?

Have always preferred using multiple drugs in smaller doses. Have yet to work with anyone or find myself needing 1g of test to continue progressing.

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Avatar of Millard Millard Jan 08, 2023 #2

I think the original question was a test-only cycle. But I'd love to hear a more nuanced answer from everyone, and particularly you, as a standalone vs. as a base vs. combinations vs. better alternatives from a health vs. efficacy standpoint as well.

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e effswithtren Jan 08, 2023 #3

it’s not “safe”, but neither is crossing the street. On the spectrum of these things my hunch says it’s somewhere in the ballpark of “fine” assuming it’s not year-round for years on end or something.

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Avatar of boost creep boost creep Jan 08, 2023 #4

There are people here that call 200mg a week for trt a mini cycle. 1000mg. a week, lol.

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Avatar of Logan44551 Logan44551 Jan 08, 2023 #5

There are so many factors involved in this. I think a lot of people rely on more drugs rather than diet and intelligent training. I was one of them in the past. Once I started getting the other stuff dialed in I was blown away with how much I could progress with actual TRT doses. I don't think I'll ever run test that high again. 500mg a week with an oral or 200-400mg of another compound is plenty for me. I'm no competitor though

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f finroid Jan 08, 2023 #6

Over 500mg/wk Test makes me so horny that it cuts into my training time and only my right arm grows

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Avatar of OmL OmL Jan 08, 2023 #7

I once went up to 750mg test a week, and I questioned myself, asking “Who the hell do I think I am to warrant this?”.

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Avatar of Fattyone Fattyone Jan 08, 2023 #8

I haven’t found just plain test blast to offer much over my TRT dose regardless of dose. Apparently get all the sides from everything else I’ve tried as well.

I think it’s so person dependent that there is no clear answer. Some will blow up on a little test and others will run a bathtub of oils and not look too impressive.

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Avatar of Mac11wildcat Mac11wildcat Jan 08, 2023 #9

1 gram of test, alone, for the right person, right in regards to:
- side effects (or lack thereof) experienced from test
- viable reasons for not using other drugs (like side effects from them)
- a goal that warrants 1g
- suitable diet and training

Probably not altogether that risky as a cycle.

I’d argue it’s much more about the overall approach/duration/time off/supplemental support/etc.

My big holdup with 1 gram of test is, for most, the inevitable aromatization and then the required anti estrogen use. Improper/excessive AI use is probably far more risky than most of the drugs we use, and I think the message being spread, probably correctly, is to avoid use if possible with smarter cycle designs and dosages. I probably wouldn’t group it together with like, only-deca cycles but, I think we know there are smarter decisions that can be made.

1 gram is still circulating in some conversations as the holy grail to a new level of gains, so much so that I’m seeing inexperienced competitors on a g within a cycle or two. Alarming…

Edit; missed the last ask: better alternatives.

A test dose that does not require anti estrogen use with or without something like primo (when total dosage for progress dictates it) and strictly due to the amount of progress my clients see with it, some deca.

1 g test vs 3-500 test, 3-500 primo, 200-300 deca; I’m going with the later.

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Avatar of T&H T&H Jan 08, 2023 #10

Good to see the statement of 500mg a week a recommended minimum for test only cycle. For some reason, some guys here are pushing lower as a first cycle. Many report significant gains from their first cycle, should make the most if it.

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Avatar of amindzeye amindzeye Jan 08, 2023 #11

Currently curising At 130mg/week of Test E/C, my
Total T = 1153 ng/dl ---Top of range 1100
Free = 309 pg/ml ---Top of range 224
Bio available = 609 ng/dl ---Top of range 575
E2 = 65 pg/ml --- Top of range 29

With e2 being at 65 pg/ml I think I'd still need around 12.5mg/week of aromasin to prevent gyno flare due to extra sensitization of Tren/Nandrolone.
So, I shouldn't increase Test then:

Does my blast of cut and bulk sound reasonable?
Cut : Test - 130 mg/week ; Mast - 400 mg/week ; Tren - 400 mg/week
Bulk :Test - 130 mg/week ; Mast - 400mg/week ; Npp/Deca - 400mg/week

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Avatar of SkankHunt SkankHunt Jan 08, 2023 #12

A gram of test a week is bananas in my opinion. I’ve been using for 10 years now and 400-500 test with 300 Deca/Npp is plenty for me. Everyone is different but I don’t believe in large amounts of drugs unless you’re stepping on stage.

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c crtx Jan 09, 2023 #13

tried all the combos dhts + test + nands etc.. highs and lows. Still to do this day 1G test only nothing has come close to gains or that "look" dont need anything for e2 management. Can't imagine what stacking on 1G Tbase would be like have zero plans for this.

Have ran combos up to 2G total mg per week test was always at or under 500mg pw.

Find what works for you not some bro cycle on the internet.

Nothing is safe pick your poison.

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Avatar of AbstractMind AbstractMind Jan 09, 2023 #14

Test itself should just be there to maintain male function maybe a little extra on top to feel good. The other anabolics in your stack should be doing the “heavy lifting”. The days of doing 1-2 even 3 grams of test are in the past. People ain’t doing that shit no more it’s 2023

I agree with mac about intelligent stack design and trying to negate the excess use of ai’s

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T Turbo charged Jan 09, 2023 #15

1 gram of test is norm for a ifbb pro. I stopped competing years ago. I am around alot of them and believe me it's very normal amongst them and some crazy stacks on top of it. It's gotten out of control.

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e effswithtren Jan 09, 2023 #16

Palumbo says every good cycle starts with 1g of test as a baseline. Then again Palumbo says a lot of dumb shit so that doesn’t mean much.

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